Match 2: KOR : CZE - OMAR (EGY)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2026 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 8, 2026.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  2. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Joe as AVAR a good sign?
     
  3. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I mean, I wouldn't say it's good or bad. This is not a big match (it's between two relatively weak teams, it's in the middle of the European night, and it's overshadowed by the hosts' openers). And AVAR is not a big position. Good that he's getting an appointment but it doesn't give some special indication that they have big plans for him.
     
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  4. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    I'm sure he wishes he was somewhere else, too... He's 38 but than he has to compete with Szpala, Mendoza and Vasquez.
     
  5. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Dickerson is 38 already?? My word time flies.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Little confused by this. He's a guy who wasn't even on the FIFA or CONCACAF radar 18 months ago and now he's at a World Cup and, at the moment, in pole position to have a whistle in 2030. That's quite a rise.

    Also, AVAR isn't a big thing relatively speaking but if you're talking about getting a bunch of matches and being actively involved in a World Cup, way better to be involved in the first literal matchday than wait to get a call early in MD2. FIFA has shown they use their VMOs until they feel like they've screwed up. Dickerson has an opportunity to not screw up and get more games and more responsibility. I would imagine he's very excited about this appointment.
     
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  7. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I think we are overthinking the appointment for Joe. Even at the World Cup, they need bodies.

    As an old SYRA said to me when I ask him why he was taking certain people to regionals, he said "somebody has to the run lines."

    Somebody has to be AVAR. It's not like he wasn't going to work as an AVAR. Yes, it's better to get an assignment earlier than later.

    It's pretty difficult to screw up as AVAR, unless you miss an act of violent conduct during an OFR or delay by the VAR.
     
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  8. Wyrm2

    Wyrm2 Member

    Apr 29, 2007
    Silver Spring
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stupid Q: Is 5to (so Juan Carlos Mora here) just a replacement in case one of the 4 officials get injured during/pre match or are there additional responsibilities for WC matches that aren't at other matches?
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    He's a backup assistant referee. FIFA has been assigning these at their tournaments for a long time now. Other competitions have followed suit.

    In theory, the role is limited to being a reserve assistant in case one gets injured. In practice, he'll help with preparing substitutions, policing the technical areas if things get particularly heated (and likely policing one of the two technical areas during hydration breaks), and helping to facilitate any VAR reviews. In the event of some gross misconduct, his eyes and reporting would matter, but that type of thing would be exceedingly rare.
     
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  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bumping since this is down the board. Not too much so far.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I write that, 12' is interesting to the extent the Korean attacker who headed the ball over the bar was getting hugged and had his jersey pulled as he did it. No real shout for a penalty, so I get it from a practical sense. But if you wanted an example of some pretty consequential where a VAR looks the other way and an indication that the bar for holding is going to be high (or possibly maddeningly inconsistent) that's a good first data point.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought 16' was the first foul of the match, but it appears I've missed one. Fast-paced stuff back and forth but still not much actionable to do from a referee standpoint.
     
  13. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is the semi-automated offside situation why ARs are delaying calls on even obvious looking situations? The last Czechia player who was called offside came back from an offside position for the ball and it looked clearly offside on TV but play continued for several seconds before the AR called it.
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    I think that's just bad ARing.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Theres tech thats supposed to inform the ar when a player is offside by more than 10cm to limit the delayed flag but how quicky it works and accounts for more complex situations I'm not certain.
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fascinating how easily that Czech player's jersey just ripped. It was definitely grabbed, but I can see how a foul wouldn't be initially called based on purely observing what happened. Didn't seem like it was enough to tear a jersey like that. Once you see it and insist on a kit change, though, you do look sort of foolish for not penalizing the action that caused it. One of those weird ones. Good thing it wasn't in the penalty area!
     
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  17. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Not a shining moment for their kit manufacturer.
     
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  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. When I saw it, I was very confused why that particular call was so delayed.
     
  19. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    The visual identity of this World Cup is awful. The logo and the score bugs are so bad. Who did FIFA pay to come up with the logo. They could have just typed something into ChatGPt and gotten a better result.
     
  20. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Wouldn't be a world cup without a puma jersey ripping from a slight breeze.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    Get off our lawn!
     
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  22. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Solid first half, keep it up!
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What makes you say that?

    I always struggle trying to assess matches like this, with referees I don't know well, when you get a 0-0 half time with zero cards, zero penalty appeals, and no real tough management opportunities. Like, sure, he did nothing wrong, I guess. But I didn't see a single thing that impressed me either. At the end of the day you've got to referee what is in front of you but at the same time I feel like truly world class referees sort of standout even when there's no reason to standout (and I'm saying something different than scenarios where referees make it about themselves).

    I don't know. Honest question. That half ended and my thought was "meh, okay." So to see you write "solid, keep it up" makes me wonder if you saw something to justify that or you maybe just grade on a different curve than I do.
     
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  24. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    he’s been decent. Other than having to hop over the ball getting into passing lanes and the weird ripped jersey. I think he’s been decent.
     
  25. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I think my view is a lot closer to your own than maybe my comment let on.

    It was an easy first half, he's let the game flow nicely with a foul selection that is appreciated by both teams, and he looks confident on the field when making decisions. That's about all we can ask in a game like this. We will see how it develops if this becomes more difficult.

    The worst "mistake" he made was the shirt pull incident, but his whistle was already going for the offside when that happened so I think he basically handled it well given the awkward circumstances. You can't let Czechia take the free kick quick and score a goal when the free kick appears to be for the offside offense 20 yards away from where the kick was taken.
     

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