Match 15 - UKR : FRA - KUIPERS (NED)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Numerous semi-tactical fouls since play restarted.
     
  2. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hmm, could have been a penalty for France when Benzema was tackled.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there really can't be too much debate there. He should have been off.
     
  4. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    Ouch. First clear red card of the tournament missed. And it was a good YC for the first offence - the sort of tactical foul the French got away with with Rizzoli. Definite SBO though.
     
  5. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have to miss a bit to actually work (oh, the humanity!).

    Any word if they will delay England/Sweden for TV purposes?
     
  6. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    15 min
     
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  7. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3PM EDT. Delayed 15 minutes.
     
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  8. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thx for update re time of the Sweden match...
     
  9. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Best comment of the tournament so far: From Derek Rae
    "It's been a long time since Ukrainians have seen so many pitchforks at the same time
    in the same place."

    Still LOL!

    PH
     
  10. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    Somebody had an F-in laser on Nasri while he took the corner
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And now he scores the goal.
     
  12. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    exactly, too bad we'll never know if he didn't see the severity of the foul or if he just decided against a 2nd caution
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way of knowing, as you said. Could be a judgment that the seriousness, as he saw it, wasn't as bad as it actually was. In some capacity, whether consciously or subconsciously, it was giving the benefit of the doubt to Menes. Does timing (right at half time) and the relative low severity of the earlier caution enter the equation? Not supposed to, but maybe they do. Does Velasco Carballo getting skewered for two "soft" yellows play a role?

    Either way, Kuipers has now had two of the bigger controversies (and, I'll repeat again, in the grand scheme of things they aren't that big compared to what we sometimes see) and it's difficult to see how he progresses. Unless the Dutch fall this weekend and, logistically, his services are needed somehow. But it's going to be impossible to make an argument on the merits that he is top 6 or top 7 at this tournament.
     
  14. DudsBro

    DudsBro Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Definitely should have been sent off....really not sure how that one was missed. Maybe Kuipers focused on the trailing arm that made contact with the opponent's face, and missed the severity of the lower body portion of the challenge.
     
  15. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really was not impressed with his first game, lots of calls that didn't square with what was seen on camera (not talking the offside call, more along the lines of giving away free kicks to the wrong team or calling fouls when none occured IMO). I've seen him call Eredivise games and have gotten a similar impression. Interesting that he is the best NL have to offer.
     
  16. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    I can't disagree. But I'll bet most neutrals are completely fine with the decision. About the harshest criticism I can imagine is "oh, he was lucky to not get a second". So, when it comes to that elusive "put on an event" quality, I'd say the tourney is happy with it.
     
  17. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see that and walk away thinking "ref didn't want to effect the outcome of the game" which he did anyway by a decision not to caution.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most neutrals usually don't like send offs. But, in this case, I bet most neutrals would have enjoyed 11 Ukrainians against 10 French for the second half. Could have been much more entertaining.
     
  19. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Just hand the father or coach the whistle and say "Be my guest"
     

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