Match 15 - UKR : FRA - KUIPERS (NED)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Friday, 15 June - Donetsk - 12:00 EST
    Ukraine : France
    Referee: Björn KUIPERS (NED)
    Assistant Referees: Sander van Roekel (NED) , Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
    Additional Assistant Referees: Pol van Boekel (NED) , Richard Liesveld (NED)
    Fourth official: Tom Harald Hagen (NOR)
    Reserve official: Damien MacGraith (IRL)
    UEFA Delegate: Armen Minasyan (ARM)
    UEFA Referee: observer Vladimir Sajn (SVN)

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  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    I am definitely interested in this one.
    It could be argued that Kuipers had the worst performance in the tournament so far.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It dawns on me that this argument would, in fact, be a legitimate one to have. Nonetheless, he still had a pretty passable performance with no real major controversies other than the non-penalty to Keane. It does say something about how smooth things have gone in the tournament thus far.
     
  4. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006

    I was more looking at it from how he will handle it.

    If we know he had one of the poorer performances, he knows he had one of the poorer performances even if it wasn't all that poor.

    I've never handled a match this big or had millions watching.

    I was really wondering if he will have it in his head.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doubt it would be in his head at all. I mean, there really was nothing poor about his performance at all. You can't worry about what the other referees do, just like you (or he, in this case) can't worry about what the Netherlands does Sunday--which is something that could play the biggest role in his future participation at this tournament.

    Velasco Carballo, given how badly his performance got panned, might be a different story. But what UEFA said privately might have a bigger role.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just based on the weather and field conditions, this is not going to be an easy game to referee.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And he's taking them off the field!!!
     
  8. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the distant camera angle, it almost looks foggy.

    Then you get to the closer shots - it's still so wet - and now we're suspending the match....
     
  9. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wonder if it was the thunder and lightning?
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was about to ask if the Match Delegate might play a role tonight. I do wonder if he was told to start the match on time to see if it would pass. Very interesting. It's not his decision completely pre-match, but it is his decision once he starts. Total speculation, but regardless of how it's happened, he's done the right thing.
     
  11. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    The shot they had through the roof was a lot of lightning and the rain was incredible.
     
  12. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Numerous twittersphere comments say it was lightening.
    Curious as to the UEFA guidlelines (if any) on a minimum time period to wait now.
     
  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006

    Right now they are waiting for one of the players' Dads to look it up on his iPhone nad tell them which way it is moving. :cool:
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think there are any guidelines about weather or lightning relative specifically to EURO 2012. This is what I've found so far. Seems deliberately vague, which makes sense. The last thing you want to do when dealing with a competition like this is box yourself into a corner:
     
  15. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    And to come tell the ref its probably safe to continue...

    In all seriousness, the next time someone gives me grief because I stop a game for lightning, I'm pointing to this tournament.
     
  16. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not surprised there was no "30 minute minimum" type of guideline what with TV and all.
     
  17. DudsBro

    DudsBro Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No kickoff until the top of the hour
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just to be clear, that's straight from the EURO 2012 regulations.

    I'm sure there are instructions given to referees about how to handle weather-related matters at UEFA events. It just seems that they are not published (or perhaps not even written down!).
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IASocFan and SA14mars repped this.
  20. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, just happened to see it in the online UEFA library while I was looking for weather regulations. Admittedly, I did just skim through it. Some of the stuff I knew about, but some of it is nuts (they regulate the "quality control" logos that aren't even visible on the uniforms among other things).
     
  23. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Match to restart @ the top of the hour per UEFA
     
  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kuipers getting a lot of camera time for a ref that doesn't involve controversy.
     
  25. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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