Match 12 - NED : GER - ERIKSSON (SWE)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I don't get it. Both the coach and Sneijder are whining to the ref about time wasting. So the ref books Boetang, and then they complain more?! Shut Up!
     
  2. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Hey look The Dutch are whining after the game and getting into confrontations. Not surprising.

    Good game by the crew though. Nothing really critical except some no call penalties which I love to see. He kept this game even and fair and there's nothing much anyone can say about it. He wasn't perfect, he missed some things but those were mostly close challenges that are understandable. All in all, well reffed.
     
  3. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the ref: a surprisingly low key game - good for him - no issues, no worries from my perspective.

    For the Dutch: Hello? Intensity? Hello?

    For the Germans: Nice win - congrats on winning the group.
     
  4. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I think Germany dominated in the moments when they did.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Denmark beats Germany by 2 they could win the group.
     
  6. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Very Perceptive! :D
     
  7. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Lalas said it during post-match.
    I was hoping some one here could explain it to me.
     
  8. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah Jason - the voice of reason, logic and truth.... :oops:

    Fair point. Though I think I'll be typing the same thing after then Denmark match....
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Germany could still finish 3rd.
     
  10. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Denmark isn't beating Germany
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably not, but Germany hasn't advanced and the Dutch haven't been eliminated.
     
  12. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Mathematically you're right. I think the Dutch could definitely advance they've got a chance. Germany should win the group though.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're right.
     
  14. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I thought the first tie-breaker was head-to-head which would mean ...
    If Denmark beats Germany and Portugal wins, it's a three way and who knows what they do.
    Otherwise if Denmark wins and Portugal doesn't, Denmark and Germany advance.
    If Holland wins, they are still eliminated because at best they would be tied with Denmark but they lose on the h2h.

    Of course if I'm wrong about the h2h this goes out the window.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Head to head is the tiebreaker, but with a three way tie and each team being 1-1 against each other, it would go to the next tiebreaker which is GD in games involving the three teams.
     
  16. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Not me! After the first few games, I now mute the sound at half-time and post-match.
    They mainly talk a complete load of nonsense, especially Lalas. I only listen when
    Martinez comes on; he's the only one who makes any sense and provides insightful analysis.

    PH
     
  17. slnaclubvn

    slnaclubvn Member

    Mar 2, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I think, the end result of group B: Germany and Denmark will drawn and together next while Portugal lost Netherlands
     
  18. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the deal with this?
    My buddies were peppering me with questions on this after it happened and I had no response.

    It would have felt weird IF the Swede had called it though but it is not allowed.

    What am I misinterpreting ?
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its like the six second rule. Its basically never called unless its clear as day.
     
  20. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get it and I agree that it would look trifleing to call it in this particular situation.

    So its primary intent then is too prevent time wasting? I just want to have a reasoned answer if/when some coach presses me on it.
     
  21. ElasticNorseman

    ElasticNorseman Member+

    Apr 16, 2004
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    the obvious explaination was that it came from Lalas' mouth so it doesn't have to be coherent.
     
  22. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    Just to pass the time during a rain delay.....
    1) Trifling is always an option.
    2) "its primary intent then is too prevent time wasting?" - very likely.
    3) Did he really "parry" it? Or did he just "get a hand on it any way he could, avoid a collision, then pick up the loose ball"???

    Bottom line: I think this call is reserved for (very unusual, non-pressure) situations where the keeper is trying to do something he normally could not. In other words, not being just a keeper, but trying to be more than that (probably a time-waster).

    In this case, all common sense says, he is just being a good keeper.
     
  23. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup.

    BTW - I can just see me trying to explain this to some HS coach someday if a similar play happens !!:eek:
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I might be having one of those moments when I remember something that never happened, but... didn't the prohibition on parrying get excised from the Laws long ago? Like a few years after the 4-step rule got changed to a 6-step rule? I know it stuck around for awhile, but I thought the IFAB scrapped it once people pointed out it became pointless when we started counting seconds rather than steps.
     
  25. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    I still see this:
    possession of the ball includes the goalkeeper deliberately parrying the ball
     

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