Match 102 [SF] : ENG : ARG - ELFATH (USA)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2026 - Refereeing' started by balu, Jul 14, 2026.

  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
     
  2. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big job this could be a tough one
     
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  3. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    Notable neither Villarreal nor Dickerson are in the actual booth?
     
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  4. srsmith111

    srsmith111 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Wow ! I did not expect Elfath to be given a match of this importance. Hope he does well.
     
  5. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Fake Dr. Joe is claiming to have worked with Elfath as a "Mentor" (first I've heard he ever worked for PRO in any capacity), so now we know he'll do well today.


     
  6. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Ismail then deserves this assignment just on the basis that, against all odds, he became a great referee
     
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  7. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “1st USA Ref to work the middle of a World Cup Semi-Final.”

    I think Tori Penso might have something to say about this.

    Geez he’s a buffoon.
     
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  8. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's semantics, but since FIFA refers to them as the World Cup and the Women's World Cup, he is technically correct.
     
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  9. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    David Socha in 1982

    https://www.fifa.com/en/match-centre/match/17/59/295/996

    EDIT: I just saw he put "in the middle" so technically correct
    Still, not great he glossed over Socha's accomplishments
     
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  10. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Look. There is only one World Cup and we all know what that is. To try and somehow equate what Penso did to what Elfath accomplished is a disservice to Elfath.

    People can try and say "Men's World Cup" and "Women's World Cup" all they want, but when you say World Cup you mean Men's World Cup.

    It's huge accomplishment and bare in mind that only 16-20 years ago we didn't have an on field official in the 2006 and 2010 World Cups.
     
  11. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course it's a huge accomplishment. I never said otherwise. But let's not pretend Tori Penso at all crossed his mind.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...tb=1&msockid=49e471f8806a11f191f670796905a782
     
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  12. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    Right. I mean this tournament itself shows that a finals referee at the Women’s World Cup is at best the equivalent of a group stage referee at the men’s World Cup. Both are accomplishments, but they are of different magnitudes
     
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  13. srsmith111

    srsmith111 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    without entering the question of possible misogyny. The point is that Dr. Joe's shameless self-promoting is offensive to many in the referee family. I'm one of those.
     
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  14. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't get any offense from his tweet.

    I assign incompetence, not malice.
     
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  15. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Still 2 hours to kickoff, huh?
     
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  16. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. Hanlon’s razor. I stand by my view that he’s a buffoon.
     
  17. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    You want misogyny? Go look at the camera work when introducing the referees for the Tunisia v Netherlands group stage game. Tell me what happens and before you ask yourself -- yes, that's the only game its happened at.
     
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  18. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Where are you guys talking about? This is completely off topic but you're all off your rocker. What Penso has accomplished is miles more impressive than what Elfath has accomplished.

    Magnus Carlson would get his ass kicked by any decent computer, does that make what he's doing unimpressive?

    In 10 years, technology will be advanced enough that we could put out a field of robotic soccer players who would crush any men's team. Does that make messi quite mediocre?

    Women's sports are impressive because women are taking their (limited) physiology and using it in ways relative to other women's physiology. That's why the women's world cup fills up stadiums when division 2 college soccer does not. You can say the women's world cup less is commercially viable than the men's, you can say that elfath is faster than penso, and I guess that's both true. But less impressive? You're out of your minds.
     
  19. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    New here?
     
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  20. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Is it me or should discussion of the relative merits of this assignment be in General Assignments? I'm not in any way intending to quash the discussion, just that in a little over an hour there's going to be rather furious clicking on the game itself.
     
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  21. soccerref69420

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    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Sometimes you think law 5 blog is bad and then you come across a thread like this on here
     
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  22. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    A self-aggrandizing one.
     
  23. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Hey look the game started
     
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  24. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Breaking out the verbal warnings before two minutes are gone
     
  25. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    First foul response.
     

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