Match 100 [QF] : ARG : SUI - PINHEIRO (POR)

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  1. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    That's' what I thought as well. Now you have to get out of Messi's way or it's a foul?
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imagine if we didn't have the Almiron yellow and that this was the first use of the "mistaken identity" thing.
     
  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    105+1 So we’re back to not calling bear hugs on a player trying to head a corner……
     
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  4. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weren't they basically hugging each other there?
     
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  5. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought in between extra time you just switch fields and kick off immediately? Not take five minutes?
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but drama...
     
  7. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ah touche.
     
  8. Pemulis

    Pemulis Member

    Jul 10, 2024
    Why wasn't that a yellow for MacAllister at 106? No VAR review for stamp on foot?
     
  9. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, throwing his head back and then rolling around screaming in "pain" is one clue.
     
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  10. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi was fouled but he certainly sold it.
     
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  11. hornetbiz

    hornetbiz Member

    Oct 3, 2005
    Boston, MA
    You wait all tournament to break confed neutrality shouldn’t you do it with a referee who can knock it out of the park?

    This has been (imho) the worst match of the whole tournament in terms of foul recognition - certainly the worst match of the knock-out stage in terms of overall consistency of foul recognition calls and no-calls. In fact, so bad that the inability to recognize a complete non-foul for what it was forced him into KMI he and the match didn’t need.
     
  12. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    Maybe lots of us are taking crazy pills. Using VAR to identify dives would be nuts. At that point, why not just referee the entire game from the video screens, and the referee just does whatever they're told (generally after pausing).

    Dives are a thing we want out of the game, and they should be managed. Sometimes they should be carded. Sometimes they should be discussed between the referee and the player. Etc. The referee should make that decision based on their feel for the game, the player, and the expectations of the event. We are supposed to trust them to make these kinds of decisions.

    So if we aren't going to use VAR to identify and punish dives during open play - and @soccerref69420, I really don't think you want that - then we shouldn't be using VAR to identify and punish dives because the referee made a mistake. That's it.

    I don't care what random people on the Internet are saying about the "cheat" or whatever. It's not about that. It's starting with the principle that says "VAR should be used for only the most game-critical decisions" and applying that to the regulations as written and interpreted, and making sure you think through all the scenarios.
     
  13. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    Agree with every word of this
     
  14. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless he’s being held for a semi (which I don’t think is happening), Barton should have been the call for this match.
     
  15. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    And on a related topic - this mistaken identity/diving situation has created a situation where VAR's are reviewing every single yellow card and making an affirmative decision on something else that should have been a yellow card. If they just thought the referee shouldn't have given a yellow but there isn't simulation, they can't send the referee to the monitor to remove the card. I can't think of other situations where VARs are expected to send a referee to the monitor to caution a player. It's a weird combination, and it hit in the QF of the World Cup.
     
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  16. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    If there are less than 4 minutes of extra time.....
     
  17. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    HOW IS THAT NOT POSSIBLY A CARD
     
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  18. hornetbiz

    hornetbiz Member

    Oct 3, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I agree it’s a weird situation, but I think it was a noble idea. If that was Paredes’ 2CT we would be clamoring for the mistaken identity though. Or if the card would lead to a suspension to Paredes for YC accumulation.
     
  19. Pemulis

    Pemulis Member

    Jul 10, 2024
    Because uniform?
     
  20. srsmith111

    srsmith111 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    i dont. The bottom line principle is not VAR Policies and procedures. The bottom line principle is prevent or punish cheating. That happened.
     
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  21. SirFozzie

    SirFozzie Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 17, 2001
    Franklin, MA
    If this, and the US/Paraguay reversal is what it takes to reduce diving, flopping and simulation on the ground, then it's a good thing that it happened. I do feel bad for the Swiss player, but like so many other things, he has no one to blame but himself for making the situation where this was the result.
     
  22. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    #2 behind the suspension of the suspension for Balogun.
     
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  23. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice call.
     
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  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2nd yellow to Martinez for jumping over the wall?
     
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  25. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    The ball was in play for about 30 seconds of the next 5 minutes after the goal was scored, between the delay in the original kickoff and Martinez pretending to be injured.
     
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