Monday June 13, 2016 - 15:00 (EDT) - Lyon Referee: Mark Clattenburg (ENG) Assistant Referee 1: Simon Beck (ENG) Assistant Referee 2: Jake Collin (ENG) Additional Assistant Referee 1: Anthony Taylor (ENG) Additional Assistant Referee 2: Andre Marriner (ENG) Fourth Official: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP) This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelineshttp://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032253), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
Perhaps a YC could have been issued in 7', but I back Clattenburg's decision. Apart from that, I agree.
Should have awarded a PK to Belgium for Chellini holding/throwing Fellani to the ground on a corner kick in the 87th minute...he clearly saw the incident, since he called both players over, and it was clearly a foul, but he didn't have the guts to make the call....
True....but the ref can still sanction players when the ball is technically not in play (for example, for not retreating on a free kick, for dissent, etc.)...so I'm pretty sure that's still a foul even though the ball had not technically been kicked yet...
Learn the laws before you start questioning the refs' guts. Clearly stopped play before the corner kick. Can't be a penalty.
Then how is it that players can get carded for incidents that happen when the ball is technically "not in play"? For example, player A is fouled by player B. Before taking the free kick, player A retaliates against player B by hitting him in the face and gets carded. But he didn't commit a foul??? That seems really strange to me... Theoretically that means that on corners and set pieces, the defending players can do anything they want to the attacking players, including throwing them to the ground, as long as they stop the instant the ball is kicked...
The ball must be in play for it to be a foul. Misconduct, on the other hand, does not require the ball to be in play and when it happens in those situations it does not change the restart.
That's misconduct, and you can give cards for those. But a PK can only be given while the ball is in play.
PKs are awarded due to a defensive foul in the penalty area. Fouls (as defined in the LOTG) can only occur when the ball is in play. Therefore a PK cannot be awarded for something that occurs when the ball is not in play. Misconduct can occur when the ball is in play or when it is out of play. If it occurs when the ball is out of play then the player can be sanctioned with a caution or ejection, but the restart remains the same as it was when the ball left play.
I suggest that you might benefit from taking a referee course especially if you don't want to make yourself look foolish on a refereeing forum when criticizing one of the top referees in the world. PH
Keith Hackett was certainly impressed: http://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-blog-mark-clattenburg-demonstrates-worlds-number-one-referee/
mfw, thank you for posting to the forum. glad to have you on here. what clatts was doing was preventative refereeing. he saw 2 knuckleheads(felliani and the italian fit that mold perfectly) being stupid in the penalty area. he told them to knock it off, and also let the other players know he was watching years ago, the united states got deprived of a goal in the world cup, because the referee failed to take this approach(coulibaly, i think?) it was against slovakia or slovenia the referee saw pushing going on, let the corner be taken , and then called something. and what is interesting is that after that game, all the refs started to deal with tomfoolery in the penalty area at corner kicks/free kicks. keep on contribtuing, and make sure you listen to some of the wise people on here
And he was absolutely right; but in all fairness, Keith Hackett was the one who essentially trained and mentored Clattenburg when he was head of PGMOL, so it is hardly an unbiased opinion! Also many of the players in this match play in the EPL and know Clattenburg very well, which always helps. And in contrast to the junk we are seeing in the Copa, the players actually came to play good football and were well disciplined. PH
I don't think @mfw13 meant this as a criticism. This poster, like most non-referees, didn't totally understand the difference between foul and misconduct and was confused accordingly. Hopefully the good responses from @Bradley Smith, @rh89, and @kayakhorn cleared up any confusion this poster might have had regarding the Law 12 definition of foul.
His initial post said Clattenburg didn't have the guts to make the call, which is definitely criticism. I originally explained the reason in post #5, but he followed up with more nonsense. You guys are just too nice and tolerant of fools. PH
Had a huge issue with Clattenberg not issuing the yellow at 7 minutes. Later he failed to card Eder again. Eder committed two yellow and one orange offenses. Unacceptable not to show a card at 7 and even later.
Hopefully someone else caught this too but at one point during the match when the commentators were taking about a decision the ESPN graphic below the score box flashed "Referee: Mark Klattenburg (ENG)".