Match 1: GER : SCO - TURPIN (FRA)

Discussion in 'Euro 2024 - Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 12, 2024.

  1. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Havertz completely stopped didn't he?
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to disagree with you. I think both situations were easily missable. The first play, it was plausible to think the initial contact outside the box justified a "play on." And on the second one, seeing the defender get a lot of the ball, it's easy to think the follow-through caused the contact and not an extra action. I think these are prime examples of why we have VAR in the first place.

    But that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
     
  3. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    He hasn't seemed totally focused to me. To be fair, a big part of that is just his normal laid-back look. But it does give the impression that he was expecting the teams to referee themselves, and hasn't been ready for the reality where he's actually had a job to do. There have been at least three challenges that were at least borderline reckless, and two penalty decisions to make.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know what you're saying, but you actually have it backwards and it's much worse than this. That left foot is the lead foot and makes contact with the plant leg before he ever swings through with the right foot, which does then hit the ball (and follows through). This truly was an atrocious tackle. The left foot was just an assault as he launched himself and then he swung through to get the ball.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He implied it was a DOGSO question and then raised VC (instead of SFP). All in all, not great. But they all got there eventually.
     
  6. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Welcome to the forum. It is a widespread misconception that penalty takers are not allowed to completely stop during the run-up of the penalty kick. The kicker is allowed to "feint" during the run-up of the kick; the only restriction is that they are not allowed to feint after completing the run-up.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anything is easily missable. But I guess that's the point here. He's supposed to be among the best of the best. He's supposed to get these in real-time.

    While these are prime examples of why we have VAR (or, to ever so lightly quibble, prime examples of the stuff that everyone wants VAR for now), the fact remains that VAR corrects "clear and obvious errors." For Turpin and for UEFA, that means he made two clear errors that half. Thankfully they are correctable, but in assessing and assigning that can matter. And that's why he'll be disappointed.
     
  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll take your word for it. There's a thunderstorm watch in my area, so part of the screen is blocked out for me by a weather scroll. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006
    As an aside, that Geico ad is pretty funny.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just dawned on me Porteous is done for the tournament unless Scotland makes, um, the quarterfinals. Ouch.
     
  11. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    #36 waitforit, Jun 14, 2024
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    I know as I saw Lewandowski these past 2 years...

    I just thought he stopped just about when he was about to kick the ball. Saw another replay he made another step then shot

    The replay from behind fooled me.
     
  12. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    On a non-reffing point, as a neutral fan, I'm disappointed that Scotland came out with 11 men behind the ball and their defense is still getting shredded.

    Granted Germany is the host team, but Scotland looked good in their qualifying round and even defeated Spain. They never gave themselves a chance.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    48' SPA card is a bit odd. I think Turpin has to do it because of the overall transition. But it's a 1 v 2 in the center circle if you don't count the fouled player. It's 1 v 3 with him. And the next two closest players are Scots. In some ways, it's a 1 v 5. I don't think it technically is SPA but it just sort of feels like it and everyone expects the card, so, you have to do it.
     
  14. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    They're giving 3-game suspensions for SFP? Where is that reported?
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haven’t they always? It’s UEFA standard policy.
     
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  16. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    I like this a lot more than the audio announcements - hopefully this is what is done rather than the referee verbally explaining things.
     
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  17. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4-0… Au revoir, Écosse lol
     
  18. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I don't think so? I just checked the last UCL SFP red card for which the player's team continued on to further rounds - Dayot Upamecano in the first leg against Lazio (which, incidentally, is a very interesting comparison to this one for lots of reasons, including who the referee was), and Upamecano was back for the first leg in the next round.
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another VAR intervention for offside. Not the easiest call on the field...but not the hardest either.
     
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  20. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #45 NorcalHockeyhooligan, Jun 14, 2024
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    Does anyone know if these sort of explanations will be given in multiple languages? Seems unfair to anyone at the stadiums who doesn’t understand English.
     
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  21. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One back for Scotland…nice one
     
  22. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The world ´must know English by now lol
     
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  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's one of the main issues with any form of referee to crowd announcements. Whether it is something like this on the board or the referee announcing it in English (which is often isn't their first language).
     
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  24. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, there was a referee at the Women’s World Cup giving an explanation and made a mess of it. She seemed to say it was no goal, then goal. I feel bad for anyone (ref, spectator) who doesn’t understand English well (or at all), but…it is what it is.
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ll look into it. Could be wrong.
     

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