Marsching On Together: Jesse Marsch coaching Leeds United

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  1. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
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    Almost the worst possible results today. Leeds aren't dead yet but they'll need a massive effort to win on Sunday. And have to count on Burnley losing.
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    They just need to better Burnley's result (easier said than done). A win and Burnley draw is enough, or a draw and Burnley loss.
     
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  3. MarioKempes

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    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    Looking very bad for Leeds. Can they win at Brentford? Well, they will have to!
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    26 games under Bielsa, 13 L, 8 D, 5 W = 23/78 = 29.5% points.

    11 games under Marsch, 5 L, 3 D, 3 W = 12/33 = 36.4% points.


    Games against Big 6:

    9 under Bielsa, all losses, +7 -38 = -31 GD

    3 under Marsch, all losses, +1 -9 = -8 GD


    So they did improve a big under Jesse.
     
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  5. butters59

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    Feb 22, 2013
    I'd say "improved a bit". A new coach bump more less.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Yes, it's what I meant. G is under T, it was a typo.
     
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  7. ebbro

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    Jun 10, 2005
    Leeds win and Burnley tie will see Leeds through, so it was good Burnley only got a point today.
     
  8. MarioKempes

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    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More realistic is that Leeds draw and Burnley lose, moving Leeds out of the relegation zone. That is a difficult ask, but possible. Getting anything from Brentford away is very difficult, but Leeds will want it more. Burnley on 3 days' rest will be tired, and Newcastle will have no pressure. If I'm betting, Leeds goes down, but I hope I am wrong.
     
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  9. The Irish Rover

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    #1034 The Irish Rover, May 20, 2022
    Last edited: May 20, 2022
    Very interesting.

    If Leeds had matched Jesse's win ratio all season, they'd be starting Saturday's game level with Southampton on 40 points (40.4 points to be precise, but I'm rounding down).

    And their GD per game against the Big 6 under him is -2.777 versus - 3.4 under Bielsa, an improvement of 0.77 goals per game. Apply that difference across the season but (unrealistically) don't change any actual results and Leeds would have a -10 GD (rounding down again) or 8 goals better than Burnley, meaning Burnley would be the ones having to better Leeds' result on Saturday.

    I'd say either would be a pretty big improvement on their current position.

    That said, I wouldn't argue with you on the new coach bounce part: too few games under Jesse for a meaningful comparison
     
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  10. thedukeofsoccer

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    Jul 11, 2004
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    Between the new coach bounce, the schedule, lack of game control, and some luck over a sample that's borderline; I don't think there's really been any improvement. Which is an indictment, because Bielsa improved them originally. He just got stale & stubborn eventually, as a lot of coaches, especially w/ an ego, do.

    I hate to say it, but I wish we'd seen more from him between Leipzig and Leeds. I had higher expectations. At Leeds, he didn't adjust to the players the board made available to him. Here, it seems he's playing more pragmatically, but personnel deployment, especially his striker choices w/out Bamford (Daniel James?!?) have been odd. Given them a lack of target to play out or into with.

    He needs to win the finale at in-form Brentford (tall task, but doable) to save some face. Then Leeds could still be pipped if Burnley bring it as well at home v. Newcastle.

    If they drop one way or another, I feel like they might as well keep him to see if the aggressive style he prefers to play enables them to bounce back quickly from the C'Ship.

    But I don't think he can feel overly wronged if he's jettisoned. Got to have major regrets about drawing at home v. a Southampton side who was playing atrociously. Same thing with being drubbed at home v. Villa when the new coach bounce should have been in effect. Leeds' board are going to wonder if selling their soul to a fat Sam survivalist type would have saved them.
     
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  11. MarioKempes

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    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marsch will be seen as either a savior or as utter rubbish after tomorrow. Such is life at a big club. He has done a little better than Bielsa, and that will either be good enough or too little too late. He will be called a master motivator or a worthless Yank gobshite.
     
  12. glennaldo_sf

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    Nov 25, 2004
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    The fact that Leipzig just won the German Cup, qualified for the champions league, and made the Europa Cup semifinals (imagine had they won that) isn't going to help either. It could very well be a career defining day today.
     
  13. Gorky

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    Jul 28, 2006
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    Burnley down to Newcastle, Leeds still tied. Currently staying up.

    NBC inexplicably not showing Leeds as any of its games.
     
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  14. KALM

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    Oct 6, 2006
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    There are essentially 6 highly meaningful games going on right now. 5 of them are on NBC or its cable affiliates. Leeds-Brentford is the only one that's on Peacock.
     
  15. glennaldo_sf

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    First time in history that every team in the premier league can change their league position on the final day. Each and every team can move up and / or down the table.....
     
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  16. Dervos

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    Mar 13, 2002
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    Penalty, Leeds up!
    Burnley still behind
     
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  17. Gorky

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    Jul 28, 2006
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    Newcastle score a second.
     
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  18. twoolley

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    Jan 3, 2008
    Looking good so far!
     
  19. Dervos

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    Mar 13, 2002
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    Burnley pull one back. Nail biting time.
     
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  20. Gorky

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    Leeds still up, though.
     
  21. Dervos

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    Mar 13, 2002
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    Not any more! Yikes! All tied up here, Burnley down one, 10 minutes to go.
     
  22. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
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    Brentford levels. I hate the way Leeds is playing the last 15 minutes. They've went on the back foot. A lot of back passes, lumping balls fw, and can't make basic connections. There you saw the defender completely back off the assisting crosser.

    This was with Leeds ultimately up a man. Now they're up 2. That may be a reprieve. But Leeds will need a win if Burnley can manage to pull 1 more back.
     
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  23. Dervos

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    Mar 13, 2002
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    wow, Brentford playing with 10 because they used up all their subs by the 70th minute, then the goal scorer takes a yellow for celebrating and then gets sent off for the second.
     
  24. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Stop the count!
     
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  25. Jazzy Altidore

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    Playing with 9 after a red
     

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