As the Saints go Marsching In: Jesse Marsch rumored to lead race for Southampton job

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I concur good sir!
     
  2. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Burnley‘s run in is so much easier than Leeds also, but they are just so dire when it comes to scoring.I just can‘t see them grabbing 3 points often, no matter who they play.
     
  3. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
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    New manager bounce is in full effect for Burnley as they beat Southampton 2-0 to get within 5 points of Leeds and 4 points of Everton (who have a match in hand). Still an uphill climb for them, but they still have a chance given they have the easiest remaining schedule out of all the relegation battling teams.
     
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  4. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
    Within 5 of Leeds, 1 of Everton.

    It's Leeds 33, Everton 29, Burnley 28 right now, with Everton having a game in-hand over the other two.

    538 has the relegation odds of those 3 at:

    Leeds - 14%
    Everton - 43%
    Burnley - 45%
     
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  5. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

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    Correct. My mistake. 1 point of Everton. Everton is 4 points behind Leeds.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
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    That metric keeps having to readjust a lot. It doesn't factor in things like trends.

    Southampton are a much worse team than they were earlier in the season. So this always projected as a win for Burnley, while 538 probably thought it was a draw.

    Next up Burnley is at home against Wolves, who are 8th in the table. But recently they lost at home to Leeds themselves, and on the road to Newcastle. So that's going to be a lot more winnable match than 538 suggests.

    Then Burnley's facing a Watford side who's been bad all season and is having exceedingly less to play for.

    Subsequently, in the friendly confines, the Clarets face Villa, who've lost 4 straight.

    This is a major opportunity for Burnley, in comparison to Leeds, who faces a murderer's row, of teams who aren't in comparatively poor form.

    Leeds is likely going to have to pick up pts here and there along the way, thru this gauntlet, to hold off Burnley. Otherwise Leeds will have to get help from an Everton side who they're 4 pts up on and have a pretty tough schedule as well.

    Don't want to be at the mercy of your rivals, so hopefully what we saw in that second half v. Watford was an adjustment by Jesse to have an outlet at fw, along w/ an improvement from the return of Phillips.
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    42% Burnley win, 31% Southampton win, 27% draw

    These sorts of models adjust a lot towards the end of a season (or while computing election outcomes on Election Night) because the number of variables and potential outcomes pretty rapidly diminish.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

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    42% is not a probability. Draw or loss had a greater chance to them - 58%. The median result to them was a draw. 538 were underrating Burnley's chances. It was more like 65%, a probable win, at home, the way Southampton are playing.

    Yes, and beforehand it's not factoring in things like: trends, lack of motivation, or survey takers not wanting to admit to voting for a publicly unpopular candidate.

    It's typically going to underrate the underdog on paper's chances, because the more variables exist, the greater chance for something being unaccounted for to swing results wildly. The favorite wants as little change as possible.

    We saw this play out with the US in qualifying. The metrics were giving the US a virtual assurance, 99%, of qualifying. In the end, they avoided the playoff, since they "stole" a pt in Mexico. The metric didn't see Costa Rica sweeping the final window because they were on a roll, Costa Rica at their house owns the US, & Canada would be playing for less. It shouldn't have been a shock the US needed to get decent results to survive, as does Leeds.
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

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    It actually does.

    "Importance is a measure of how much the outcome of the match will change each team’s statistical outlook on the season."

    "As of 2018, our match predictions incorporate importance in two ways :

    1. When a match is more important to one team than the other, that team tends to outperform expectations, with its boost in performance relative to how much more important the match is to them.
    2. If a match isn’t important to either team, uncertainty in the outcome of the match increases."
     
  10. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

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    But they wouldn't have a good sense of that right now when making their projections. It's one of those adjustments they'd have to make at the later date.
     
  11. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

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    Nov 14, 2021
    Poor result for Leeds of course. I thought the best Burnley could do in these 3 make up games was 4 points and they hit that mark unfortunately. Tough 3 game run for Leeds coming up and they need a point somewhere in there. If Burnley can actually start scoring those last two matches will decide it.
     
  12. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

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    The last thing I want to see is Leeds going in to their last match v Brentford needing to win.

    That's probably what will happen.
     
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  13. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
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    Nov 14, 2021
    Burnley making it scary. Damn.
     
  14. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
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    Everton lost today.

    Tomorrow's match v Palace is a big one. Better not see that nervous energy displayed in the Watford game.
     
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  15. ArsenalMetro

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    Very sloppy game so far, still 0-0 in the 72nd. Palace are ramping up the pressure, though it hasn't resulted in any good chances in the second half.
     
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  16. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    Ends 0-0. Crystal Palace looked better than Leeds, at least in the last 20 minutes
     
  17. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

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    May 26, 2006
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    Yeah looking at that one leeds should be happy with that draw. Palace was better imo

    burnley have made it snug with Everton and Leeds for that last relegation spot. Furthermore, burnley have watford next game. Hopefully they have a little slip up there like the Norwich game
     
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  18. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
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    That was a good ass game. Palace much more entertaining, probably deserved a goal but Leeds showed great commitment and togetherness throughout. An excellent game for the neutral!

    Palace, with their attacking players, and Viera, are gonna be fun again next year.
     
  19. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

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    Burnley has made this quite difficult for Leeds. Leeds have an insane schedule coming up so they will have to rely on Everton and Burnley dropping points.
     
  20. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
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    Nov 14, 2021
    Yeah Burnley became a problem. It’s gonna come down to those last 2 matches.
     
  21. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
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    I'm curious to see if Villa gets dragged into the relegation fight. They're in awful form and have two matches left against Burnley, as well as matches against City and Liverpool. If Villa slips up against Norwich, and Burnley takes all 6 points...
     
  22. OWN(yewu)ED

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    May 26, 2006
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    Curious how marsch will strengthen Leeds assuming they survive. Forward seems the most obvious spot.
     
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  23. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
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    Been a problem since Bamford got hurt. James isn't a striker. There's no real target man up front.
     
  24. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Lets survive first.
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

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    Robbie Keane praise:

     

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