Marines discover Iraqi 9/11 mural

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by dfb547490, Mar 26, 2003.

  1. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
  2. RuiJorge2002

    RuiJorge2002 New Member

    Apr 17, 2002
    Southeastern MA
  3. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    Look, I do not wish to participate into what
    would be a ridicilous debate.
    Fireballs? Here you go:
    http://www.medalia.net/Artpage/ZepFra2903.html

    The images we all saw that day marked us for
    life. You'll find millions of similar images everywhere
    in the world, drawn, painted, etc by many
    different people trying to express themselves
    and how they felt about what they saw.
    Can you tell me how the person who painted
    the image posted on that CNN link felt and
    tried to express? I doubt it. As far as I can tell,
    it is just a painting. I can't see the "evil"
    responsible for it. Can you?


    End of that debate for me.
     
  4. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    Don't read so much into it.

    The guy (or girl) who painted it hates America and is glad it happened.

    It is what it is.

    Although after looking at it, they've got the time line all wrong. Maybe they painted it in the order that they saw it on CNN...
     
  5. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    Edit: what do I keep coming back to thread??...
     
  6. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
  7. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know this takes a bit of subtlety, but I'm going to at least throw an idea out there, that while b) is probably a dead cert, a) is by no means a given, or at least it doesn't necessarily follow in every instance.

    That's a distinction we should probably get our heads around.
     
  8. Sneever Flion

    Sneever Flion New Member

    Oct 29, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    I don't follow your logic. Are you honestly suggesting that someone could possibly be glad that 9/11 happened and not hate Americans? How in the hell of all hells did you come to this conclusion?
     
  9. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    I just didn't see any attempt at symbolism in the mural which would allow me to give the "artist" the benefit of the doubt...
     
  10. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I'll bet there's hundreds of those around the world.
     
  11. domingo

    domingo Member

    Jun 26, 2002
    Hanover
    Club:
    FC Hansa Rostock
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  12. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Anyone with the slightest eye for visual art can see the celebratory emotion expressed in this painting.

    Go take an art appreciation class or visit the Louvre or something.
     
  13. ross from st paul

    ross from st paul New Member

    Sep 13, 2001
    gold river, CA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i'm with michael. i mean no offense to you, Trevor, i just think that the rush to label all and sundry "america haters" is just so much "spin-doctoring" (my apologies to the english language).

    i hate the fact that kissinger de-facto murdered allende; i hate the fact that reagan called central american serial killers "freedom fighters;" i hate how billy-clinton turned a blithely-blind eye away from the slaughter in rwanda, and practically CELEBRATED kosovo.
    there are undoubtedly twisted jerks who are glad 9/11 happened. but to chauvinistically pretend that "USA" therefore _necessarily_ means "moral rectitude" is a recipe for catastrophe. specks 'n' planks....

    does that make me "hate" my country? nope.
     
  14. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less

    Good call Gringo. I can say that it is in a celabratory nature. The pastel hues in the backround attempt to invoke a feeling of wistfulness. Sick bastards
     
  15. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Sharp interp you got there. Can you give me a hand with this one?

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    "My kid could do that."
     
  17. ross from st paul

    ross from st paul New Member

    Sep 13, 2001
    gold river, CA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    a masterpiece.....you're not serious, are you, GT???
     
  18. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less

    Ahh good ole pablo picasso. I think one really needs to look at the time period that his work was made in order to understand it. Picasso was an inovator in a time of homogenous art. When Picasso made his art, the world was just coming off the periods of romanticism and impressionism, both styles that relied heavily on clean line, wholesome subjects, and soft colors. Picasso was a reactionary, one that single handidly stirred up the art world. Picasso's Les Demoiselles d' Avingnon of 1907 (not the one pictured here)was one of the worlds first "cubist paintings." That piece served as the bridge between pre modernist and modernist painting. He gave the world pieces like the one gringo posted, and these pieces have multiple interpretations, almost one per viewer. So i can 't tell you what Picasso meant with this one Gringo, but I do know it contains a lot of emotion;emotion that could not be presented in any other medium of painting besides his method of cubism.
     
  19. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Shut up and work on this one:

    [​IMG]
     
  20. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Gringo, what do you think of the one i already posted?
     
  21. ross from st paul

    ross from st paul New Member

    Sep 13, 2001
    gold river, CA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ok....what the he!! is that thing on her (HIS?) head?????
    ;-)
     
  22. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less

    Waaaay off. If my memory serves me, this is Vermeer's "Lady Writing a Letter with her Maid" of 1670. This very typical of the baroque/rococo style of painting. Notice the soft compostion, the use of light ect. Vermeer normally painted simple women, often with pious themes. The compostion is interesting. I think Vermeer tries to get the viewers eyes to go across the painting horizontally, back and forth between the women. The rug, i would say, brings the viewer in while the table acts a stop point.
     
  23. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I hpe it's a lesbian hat.
     

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