Marcus #1, Convey #3, Lewis #15 in current ratings

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by mschofield, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Mostly just an update on the Actim ratings:
    http://www.pa-sport.com/products/actim_championship.php
    So, as the new year begins, Marcus is the highest rated keeper in the CCC, and Convey is the third highest rated midfielder (he's behind little and harper, also of Reading). Convey is the 6th highest rated player overall, and Marcus the 8th. Overall, Reading has 11 in the top 45 and 12 in the top 90 (sidwell is 89th).

    In non-Reading but CCC Yank ratings, Eddie Lewis is #15 overall. and Frank Simek is 89th.


    {this graph is the subject of another thread, sorry. In the Prem, McBride is 49th overall. Freidel is 55th, but the 5th highest keeper.}

    As always with these rankings, take them for what they're worth: one ranking system, not definitive but a helpful factor in determining a player's success. The ratings obviously favor the most successful teams ( hence Reading's dominance of the CCC. Reading are good, but don't have 8 of the 10 best players in the championship)
     
  2. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Bearing that in mind, here's another way of looking at the rankings:

    -- Convey (5th on his team) and Hahnemann (6th on his team) are rated as ordinary starters on a powerhouse.

    -- Lewis (1st on his team) is a standout for a group that probably deserves to be promoted.

    -- Simek (2nd on his team, 3rd among all players from teams in the bottom six) is a leader on a team that hopes to avoid relegation.

    All four come off looking good.
     
  3. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And, when we stop to remember that a year ago at this time, Convey wasn't necessarily considered one of the top six midfielders at Reading, it makes this look like very good news, indeed.
     
  4. Scoobs

    Scoobs New Member

    Aug 18, 2005
    repped
     
  5. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Is this the same system that had Reyna #1 (or something like that) in EPL after 5 games?

    At any rate, your other way of looking at the ratings seems quite sound.
     
  6. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Nice post.
     
  7. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But do powerhouse teams have "ordinary" players?

    Who on Chelsea, for example, is an ordinary EPL player?
     
  8. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, it is the same system that said Reyna was the best player in the EPL early in the season. But then Reyna did have an outstanding start to the season.
     
  9. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ratings aside, my expectations of all of our Yanks have dramatically chnaged over the last year, year and a half. I now expect our players to be regular players, earning it of course and become big contributorss to their clubs. I expect fewer time periods of adjustment when going overseas. I'm just happy everyone is doing well and it will only makes our Nats pool deeper.
     
  10. Katsbox

    Katsbox New Member

    Jan 17, 2005
    LBC
    Yes, you could say it's all relative, but one problem with this view is that it doesn't look at ranking by position. Marcus is the number 1 CCC keeper in the Actim stats, and he is regarded as anything but an "ordinary" starter for the team. Losing him (knock wood) would send a chill into the hearts of Reading fans like no Arctic wind ever could.

    Reading are currently dominating the table in the Championship, no doubt. But they've done it through consistently finding some way to win (or at least not lose) games. Sometimes it's blowing away the competition 5-1 (3 times, so far, to be exact:)). Many times it's been pure, ugly determination and the ability of any one player to be able to step up and make the big play. Do you call that kind of team a "powerhouse"? I don't know. I agree that most of their players are more than ordinary; I don't know how many would be called extraordinary (although Sonko IS Superman, that's a given). It's their play as a team that HAS been extraordinary.
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    QED
     
  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    True enough, and Man City does seem to struggle when he's out of the lineup.

    All that said, though, the system appears to overweight team success. Even knowing that it was an early ranking based on limited information, all those Man City players among the top 20 in the EPL in September was evidence of a model that needed tweaking. Even Pearce wouldn't have believed that one. And 8 Reading players in the top 10 is coming on a bit high, too.

    Would be nice if the model would be enhanced. We could all benefit from an informed & relatively accurate assessment system, for understanding how our favorite YAs are really doing.
     
  13. bing1985

    bing1985 Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Near West ChiSuburbs
    Michael Essien - We just need to wait until June to prove it. ;)
     
  14. 2-0 Baby

    2-0 Baby New Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    CO
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You must be a numerista or something...
     
  15. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I think it depends what you'd want it to tell you. OPTA on Sky is useful for some things like the number of touches, passing accuracy, shots on goals, dribbles, assists, save percentage, etc.
     
  16. filiusterrae

    filiusterrae Member

    Aug 16, 2001

    sorry, I read that as being relative to other players on the same team, not across the league
     

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