Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" Hell. Someone needs to grow up. Or at least appreciate life without smilies. I was trolling? You're easily affected aren't you?
How can you not given the outcome of the play? If Rivaldo had thrown the ball in the net following Ronaldinho's run against England, who'd be talking about the run? I'm torn on the Hand of God thing. Its clearly cheating; and if Argentina had been eliminated with the help of a Lineker deliberate handball none of the current apologists would be defending it. The game was in the balance when the incident occured. However, I don't agree that the second goal could only have occured due to the nature of the first - the "demoralized" theory. If Said Owarian (spelling) could score such a goal without any externalities, surely Diego Maradona could. Would he have? We don't know, but he definetely could have; especially when you review the play and see the hesitation and bad angles some of the defenders took on him - they clearly were intimidated by whom was coming at them, such was his talent. Hand of God goal or not, they would still have reacted the same.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" Been grown for quite some time, thanks. Man, you know you were trolling. It's a brave assumption that England would have beaten Argentina if the Hand had been disallowed (considering that England didn't stop Maradona's legal goal -the second one- there's no reason to think he wouldn't have defanged the Three Lions a second time if he'd had to), and just as brave to favor England over the Belgians in the semi of your good dreams. Just don't shoot the messenger (in this case, me).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" Hahaha, funny. Too bad George Bush isn't a dictator. Moron...
Not a one. I've said this more times than I should have had to. The whole thing is a dead horse. My feel is that Argentina wins the fair match.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" Oh just fuck off. I wasn't trolling. I don't. I say things occasionally that go against the prevailing winds of the thread in question. That isn't trolling. And this occasion isn't even like that! It was a throw away tongue in cheek post, which, had it been accompanied by a cute little symbol, would have been taken with the pinch of salt that it ought to have. Get a bee in your bonnet about something else for Christ's sake and give that throbbing vein in your temple a rest.
No way. That incident has been blown way out of proportions. It was after all only a goal that should have been disallowed. Nothing more, nothing less. Michael Owen dove twice against Argentina (1998 & 2002) both resulting in penalties and both converted. Shame? If the Peru-Argentina 1978 bribery story is true, then this should be in a class of its own on the "Roll of Shame". Austria-West Germany 1982 was FIFA's fault. The teams only took advantage of a badly composed match schedule.
I keep pimping the History of Football DVD set, but it's really a must have for all soccer fans. Anyway, one of the chapters begins with an interview with Maradona and it's pretty amusing. "For Shilton (raising glass), for the goalkeeper Shilton. All goalkeepers are useless. You're not an exception. Relax. You were had, but don't worry. "Shilton, you think that you're the hero, the phenomenon - "the Honest Shilton" (in English). If a ball crossed just over the line and you swept it away without the referee seeing it, would you go and tell him that it was a goal?" As overblown as the Hand of God may be, I sense that it has added to his legend more than it has been vilified for it. As one of his teammates says on the DVD, people (at least in the Americas) worshipped for the "bad" goal more than the "good" goal because it came against England.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" What the fuck.......??! Hang on - so because maczebus dares imagine what may have happened had we overcome Argentina he is arrogant? Fuck's sake, get over the whole 'He's English, he's arrogant' bollocks. The operative word is dream. Are English fans now not allowed to dream of winning the World Cup without being labelled arrogant?
Maradona is not the only football player to knock a goal in with his hand. One of today's best forwards, RAUL, scored a handball goal in the 2001 CL against Leeds. He also disguised it well. I don't hold this against Raul and I surely don't begrudge Maradona for his.
Forget Maradona - the original 'Hand of God' happened 9 years earlier in 1977 in a World Cup Qualifier. Joe 'cheating toothless Jock twat' Jordan handled the ball in the Welsh penalty area and the stupid French idiot of a referee awarded the skirt-wearers a penalty, thereby eliminating Wales from the 1978 World Cup. As for Maradona, he took a chance and got away with it - surely it's the ref or the linesman's fault as they didn't spot it. Had Lineker handled the ball into the net from John barnes' late cross to equalise, would he have been branded a cheat or an opportunist?
Er - but he didn't. And if he had, would he have gloated about it like a fat little schoolboy afterwards?
Yeah, there's just ONE problem. 99% of all Americans have no idea who Freddy Adu is. And that makes his situation ENORMOUSLY different.
I have that game on tape. England were outplayed and outclassed by Argentina anyway (of course no Englishman will admit it, but it is true). And I don't buy this "demoralized" line of logic on goal two. He simply outruns the entire English team. They were demoralized so they forgot how to dive in on a tackle? Nice try. He was simply too damn quick on the ball for them. A couple of those guys trying to track him down have lead shoes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" All right, Maczebus, I owe you an apology. Here 'tis. I'm sorry. But you have called me a troll in the past (once) for similar posts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" That wasn't exactly what he said about dreaming, but I've settled the issue now. Mac's a good fellow and so am I, no real problem. But the whole "Hand of God" thing is old. You won't find us Americans whining about the German handball in 2022.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maradona's "Hand of God" Fair enough. Although the German handball wasn't quite such a blatant act of robbery - but we'll leave it......
Maradona´s goals was the one called "Hand of God" in a World Cup. For many reason, it was something very hard to see at the moment, that´s why the referee couldn´t see it, only in slow speed re-play and even tough it was a goal no matter if Maradona touched a little bit with the hand, so due to the confusion, So it was definitely The Hand of God who made that goal, for Argentinians the help to defeate those english invaders that´s why that match was so famous and the way Argentina defeated England, something unforgetable for many people. Anyway, it´s true "Hand of God" has a the touch of myth in football history but not this one and the second one were the best Maradona´s goals, I like a lot two of the others in the same World Cup.
My school offered French and German as foreign languages, but - like many schools in England - Gibberish was not on the curriculum. So I don't have any idea what you're talking about, but I quite like the multi-coloured smiley.
I'd have to say that World Cup '86 was Maradona's crowning moment, that whole tournament defined him, and foreshadowed the downward spiral that his career took from that moment onward. Sure, Maradona had wonderful moments after '86, but that was the pinnacle. The "Hand of God" goal in itself was a shame for football, but there have been plenty of blown calls by referees, just look at the last World Cup (Spain vs. Korea, with two good goals disallowed) comes to mind. I wouldn't go so far as to call Maradona a "talented cheat", he is still one of the greatest 11 footballers of all time. Would anyone here have objected to having him on their team when he was in his prime (bitter Englishmen aside)?