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Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by gento, Sep 16, 2003.
Zizou belongs to that group.
That is for sure.
Shouldn't it be Platini?
agreed about Platini
And there were many others who were better than Zidane, like Zico, Garrincha, Puskas, etc.
What has Zico won?
Zizou has the game and the trophies:World Cup,Eurocup,Champions League,Italian League,Spanish League.
He has a better career than Zico.
How about Eusebio? He was a big rival to Pele.
IMO,Eusebio is one step below of the greatest ones;he is with the likes of Puskas,Platini,Beckencabuer,Garrincha,etc.
you beat me to it, Eusebio was by far the second behind Pele
if you don't mention Eusebio, you never had the opportunity to see him play
he does have a point
If you think Eusebio was better than Maradona or Di Stefano it is because you are heavily biased.
when did Zico won a World Cup?
sorry you mean Zidane
And when did Eusébio?
Eusebio got rob in 1966, but so did Germany
A lack of trophies doesn't make Zico a worse player than Zidane. Arnold Muhren won every club trophy, doesn't mean he is better than Zico.
Zico and Zidane are both in the upper echelons of the history of the game, although whether they are on a par with Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano, Puskas, Cruyff etc is debatable.
Of course,it is debatable.
For me,for being considered among the best of the best(4 o 5 best players in the history) you should have tha game and the trophies.
Zidane has both things,Zico lacks the trophies.
If you look at Zico's career though he played for Flamengo where he won 3 titles and a Copa Libertadores, then Udinese who had no hope of the league, went back to Flamengo and then finished in Japan. In international terms he should have won the WC in 82 and probably 86. How Brazil lost to Italy will be debated to this day, and in 86 Zico was not fully fit.
Zidane on the other hand has had the luxury of playing for Juve and Real, joining both when they were the best team in the world. he also won his WC on home turf. All that counts against him.
What about Van Basten?
what about garrincha
the man was just as importnat in 58 for brazil as pele was
and he was the main man for brazil in 62 pele hardly played due to injuries
if you gonna use the didnt win a world cup on zico
what about cruyft he didnt win a world cup either
Comme, by you saying that Zidane had the "luxury" of playing for the best team of that time reinforced Zidane's claim as one of the best of all time. If they were already the best team at that time they saw the only way to reinforce their team by signing Zidane.
BTW, I don't think Zidane is at that Pele or Maradona level, but right under that w/ Beckenbauer, Eusebio etc.
RIVELINO!!! Maradona's idol!!!
Maradona's idol was Bochini, didnt you read his book?
ran cirlces around brazils pele he did, also was leading goalscoere in world 1966, and if it weasnt for eng;lands cheaitng portugal would have gone to the finals, single handidly beat korea, decimated hungery whewre he was heavily fouled and hacked and the soviets coiudnt answer him