Maradona,Cruyff,Pele,Di Stefano and

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by gento, Sep 16, 2003.

  1. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    Zinedine Zidane.
    Zizou belongs to that group.
     
  2. Luther_Gabriel

    Luther_Gabriel New Member

    Sep 3, 2002
    That is for sure.
     
  3. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Shouldn't it be Platini?
     
  4. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    agreed about Platini
     
  5. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And there were many others who were better than Zidane, like Zico, Garrincha, Puskas, etc.
     
  6. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    Zico?
    What has Zico won?
    Zizou has the game and the trophies:World Cup,Eurocup,Champions League,Italian League,Spanish League.
    He has a better career than Zico.
     
  7. NEKSoccer

    NEKSoccer Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Long Island, NY
    How about Eusebio? He was a big rival to Pele.
     
  8. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    IMO,Eusebio is one step below of the greatest ones;he is with the likes of Puskas,Platini,Beckencabuer,Garrincha,etc.
     
  9. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    you beat me to it, Eusebio was by far the second behind Pele
     
  10. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    if you don't mention Eusebio, you never had the opportunity to see him play
     
  11. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    he does have a point
     
  12. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    If you think Eusebio was better than Maradona or Di Stefano it is because you are heavily biased.
     
  13. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    when did Zico won a World Cup?
     
  14. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    sorry you mean Zidane
     
  15. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And when did Eusébio?
     
  16. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    Eusebio got rob in 1966, but so did Germany
     
  17. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    A lack of trophies doesn't make Zico a worse player than Zidane. Arnold Muhren won every club trophy, doesn't mean he is better than Zico.

    Zico and Zidane are both in the upper echelons of the history of the game, although whether they are on a par with Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano, Puskas, Cruyff etc is debatable.
     
  18. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    Of course,it is debatable.
    For me,for being considered among the best of the best(4 o 5 best players in the history) you should have tha game and the trophies.
    Zidane has both things,Zico lacks the trophies.
     
  19. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    If you look at Zico's career though he played for Flamengo where he won 3 titles and a Copa Libertadores, then Udinese who had no hope of the league, went back to Flamengo and then finished in Japan. In international terms he should have won the WC in 82 and probably 86. How Brazil lost to Italy will be debated to this day, and in 86 Zico was not fully fit.

    Zidane on the other hand has had the luxury of playing for Juve and Real, joining both when they were the best team in the world. he also won his WC on home turf. All that counts against him.
     
  20. Luis Enrique Muereté

    Aug 6, 2003
    Aquí
    What about Van Basten?
     
  21. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    what about garrincha
    the man was just as importnat in 58 for brazil as pele was
    and he was the main man for brazil in 62 pele hardly played due to injuries

    if you gonna use the didnt win a world cup on zico
    what about cruyft he didnt win a world cup either
     
  22. MadridForLife

    MadridForLife New Member

    Oct 13, 2002
    Worcester, MA
    Comme, by you saying that Zidane had the "luxury" of playing for the best team of that time reinforced Zidane's claim as one of the best of all time. If they were already the best team at that time they saw the only way to reinforce their team by signing Zidane.

    BTW, I don't think Zidane is at that Pele or Maradona level, but right under that w/ Beckenbauer, Eusebio etc.
     
  23. MathuzaLem

    MathuzaLem New Member

    May 30, 2003
    SP, Brazil
    RIVELINO!!! Maradona's idol!!!
     
  24. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    Maradona's idol was Bochini, didnt you read his book?
     
  25. Quaresma

    Quaresma New Member

    Aug 1, 2003
    Steeltown
    ran cirlces around brazils pele he did, also was leading goalscoere in world 1966, and if it weasnt for eng;lands cheaitng portugal would have gone to the finals, single handidly beat korea, decimated hungery whewre he was heavily fouled and hacked and the soviets coiudnt answer him
     

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