He's basically a conservative radio guy who transitioned from wacky morning show guy to pro-war on terror guy a while back. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0"]YouTube - Mancow Waterboard[/ame] He made it about 6 seconds and 3/4 of 1 gallon of water. His conclusion . . . instantaneous sensation of drowning and definitely torture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/24/olbermann-on-mancow-water_n_207161.html Sean Hannity has no balls. Keith Olbermann is giving $10k to the charity of the soldier that waterboarded Mancow.
Isn't it obvious that this must have happened already? Hannity should offer $20K to the charity of any soldier who waterboards KayO. (voluntarily or otherwise). I won't ask you how you know this! I think you are on the wrong board! (Or, are you just asking grommit?)
I would think so. This is more of a stunt than actual torture, though. He could make them stop whenever he wanted.
Absolutely. And everyone was nice to him before he got on the table and look at his reaction. He wanted to come out of a 30-60 waterboarding and say "that wasn't so bad. I can handle it and so can terrorists" but instead he was pretty freaked by less than 10 seconds of it. Now imagine some guy deprived of sleep, drug into a room in a hood with people screaming at him and being more aggressive before you even start the waterboarding. Now do it 180 times over a month.
I think the point is, JAke, that Hannity said on his show to bolster an argument that waterboarding wasn't so bad, that he'd agree to be waterboarded. But then he doesn't do it. So either Hannity is cowardly, or, the more likely answer, waterboarding IS bad. Olbermann to my knowledge hasn't claimed that waterboarding isn't so bad.
With all this fuss and publicity over Waterboarding I'm really afraid some stupid Fraternity or Sports team is going to use it as hazing and possibly mess it up and kill the person. Or some toughguy whos gonna try set the record for length while being waterboarded is gonna have his friend mess it up in their garage/basement.
IMO, they're both little bitches & far too strident. Hannity is entitled to his opinion, albeit wrong, & Olbie ought to watch his own network & try to bolster its low ratings. Now, if either offered $1Million, I'd hold the other down myself! Rep to MitH (oops, "must spread some around ...")
Stridency doesn't bother me, being little bitches does, and I think olbermann is a little bitch just like hannity. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that hannity said he would be waterboarded for charity to show that it's no big deal., and now won't do it.
From my earlier link on dunking: "In 2004, a soldier from the Singapore Guards died from a dunking incident during a Combat Survival Training course". I thought the point of waterboarding was to create the illusion of drowning, not the reality. Of course, someone could also die from a heart attack during it. Maybe he did already (at home? ) and it wasn't as much fun as he thought. Or, he doesn't want to muss his hair.
so if Waterboarding isn't torture, why don't we use that tactic on domestic criminals to get information out of them?
EDIT: OK, I get that MitH was most likely referring to the claim that only three high-level suspects were waterboarded, and that those three were guys we all pretty much agree with are actual terrorists with blood on their hands. At least I hope that's why he's being so dismissive. Otherwise, it's a pretty callous response IMHO.
I was thinking that waterboarding was too easy, so I'm glad to see that it is a more effective tool to get info. I say more waterboarding!
Please tell me you can differentiate between the US government and, e.g., the Khmer Rouge. Why is your moral compass so low?
We've been over this before on here. But you're telling me that if you knew by waterboarding someone for 30 seconds you could save lives of thousands of people, you wouldn't do it? Letting people die over causing a terrorist discomfort is taking the moral high road?
Too bad that's a hypothetical that A) nobody can ever proved happen. B) the general rule of thumb that torturing doesn't get you the info you need, only the info you want.