Manchester United V Arsenal Carling Cup 1/4 Final [R]

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Father Ted, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
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    Old Trafford December 1, 2004 7:45PM GMT

    The Baby Red Devils against the evil gunners. I wonder if Wenger will try and trick us again by playing a full strength side against us in the Carling Cup like he did a few years ago...

    Either way, the arse have been rattled ever since we showed everyone how to beat them. I expect the Baby Red Devils to win this one.

    My guess at the side:
    Howard
    Philly-Pique-O'Shea-Spector
    Eagles-DJDJ-Kleberson-Richardson
    Bellion-Rossi
     
  2. bigtoga

    bigtoga Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas, Texas
    Doesn't appear so (from the Arse forum):
     
  3. 50 Euro

    50 Euro Member

    Jul 29, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Here's our squad, from the BBC-
    Man Utd (from): Howard, P Neville, Brown, O'Shea, Fortune, Fletcher, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Richardson, Smith, Bellion, Spector, Eagles, Rossi, Ricardo, Ngalula.

    It's rumored that Rossi could partner Smith in attack. :cool:
     
  4. Rei de Boston

    Rei de Boston New Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    No Pique?? I think Rossi comes on late as a sub for Bellion. I think the starters are the first 11 on the list and we go from there. I definitely will be interestingto see the young guys out there.
     
  5. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'd expect something like this
    ----------------Smith
    -----------Rossi/Bellion
    Richardson-----------------Fletcher/Eagles/Bellion
    ----------Phil-------Klebs/DjDj
    Spector---Pique-----O'Shea---Brown
    -------------Howard

    I think this would fit with the formation we've been playing recently. If it were up to me I would play Fletcher, Kleberson and Phil in the midfield together with Phil the anchor and Klebs and Fletch alternating as attacking and Right attacking mid. Richardson on the left and Bellion or Rossi playing off of Smith. I am completely unsure of the back four though as Fortune might need a run out and O'Shea certainly needs some time and I should think you have to reward Spector for doing well before and you need some experience in the side as well so I don't know???
     
  6. bigtoga

    bigtoga Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas, Texas
    I hope we see Ngalula - I've not seen him but he's really moved through the ranks quickly...
     
  7. jammybastard

    jammybastard Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    Flyoverland
    any TV info for the US on this yet?
     
  8. 50 Euro

    50 Euro Member

    Jul 29, 2003
    Washington, DC
    From manutd.com-
    http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=129791&itype=466&icategoryid=120
    This was the squad against Palace:

    Howard; Neville P., Brown, O’Shea, Fortune; Fletcher, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson (Spector, 80), Richardson (Eagles, 80); Bellion (Rossi, 86), Saha.
    Substitutes: Ricardo, Ngalula.
     
  9. 50 Euro

    50 Euro Member

    Jul 29, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Looks like it's only available (via Setanta) in the pubs...
     
  10. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    So that is what, 8 or 9 players that are in your first team from time to time?
    i guess with a massive squad like manyoo that isnt surprising.
     
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    What? Ok, lets break it down for you.

    Howard - back up to the first team - is this a suprise?
    P Neville - he rarely plays unless someone is injured
    Brown - he is a reserve CB who has filled in at RB for Gary who is sick
    O'Shea - argument could be made for him but LB is his nat. position and now its Heinze's to lose
    Fortune - he's the back up to the back up LB
    Fletcher - young player who needs time in the team
    Djemba-Djemba - 3rd option DM
    Kleberson - rarely ever plays, backs up Scholes I guess
    Richardson - not a first teamer at all
    Smith - 3rd string Forward
    Bellion - 4th string Forward
    Spector - prospect
    Eagles - prospect
    Rossi - has one sub appearance for the first team
    Ricardo - 3rd string keeper
    Ngalula - prospect

    Now the reason you don't play starters is so that they don't get injured and that you can play your backups to see who can possibly fill in in the first team where needed. You don't pick a complete youth set up just to see them play, you pick whomever is closest to breaking in the first team. We have one player in that team who has recently been in the first team, Alan Smith and he is going to need as much playing time as possible on the pitch since he is 3rd choice starter behind Ruud and Rooney.
     
  12. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    johno... thx
    Alan Smith, a 3rd string forward... england international.. lol, d'accord~
     
  13. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    really, a testament to the depth at United... unlike some clubs when we rest our starters we don't bring in 8 year olds... its called having a squad and not being forced to play your best players constantly...

    Smith has played 197 mins out of 540 possible minutes in the last 6 games. Over that same period Rooney has played 464 mins and Ruud 329 despite missing 2 games to injury... so yeah, Smith is the 3rd choice forward.
     
  14. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    omg... lay off the stats!!!! pmsl~ go take a nice girl out tonight, or go have some beers at your local... just some advice.
    :D
     
  15. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm home sick and bored so I'll add some stats.

    Our squad
    Robin van Persie: 82 EPL minutes
    Mathieu Flamini: 84
    Jermaine Pennant: 177
    Gael Clichy: 132
    Justin Hoyte: 90
    Total EPL minutes: 565

    Your Squad
    Howard: 450 EPL minutes
    P Neville: 273
    Brown: 584
    O'Shea: 615
    Fortune: 263
    Fletcher: 291
    Djemba-Djemba: 268
    Kleberson: 229
    Richardson: 24
    Smith: 855
    Bellion: 123
    Spector: 164
    Total EPL minutes: 4139

    I just looked at EPL minutes played this season. Players not listed have zero minutes. I'm sure that adding in CL minutes and past EPL seasons would just make the gap much larger.
     
  16. BillyManutd

    BillyManutd New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    NYC
    And more stats.

    In addition to this.Lets look at the goals scored by the above mentioned players in the EPL:
    Your squad
    Robin van Persie:1
    Mathieu Flamini:0
    Jermaine Pennant:0
    Gael Clichy:0
    Justin Hoyte:0
    Total goals in EPL: 1

    Our Squad
    Howard:0
    P Neville:0
    Brown:0
    O'Shea:0
    Fortune:0
    Fletcher:0
    Djemba-Djemba:0
    Kleberson:0
    Richardson:0
    Smith:3
    Bellion:2
    Spector:0
    Total goals in EPL: 5
     
  17. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--

    Yup, our reserves are more experienced than yours.


    I live on campus, I don't really have far to go :D
     
  18. BillyManutd

    BillyManutd New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    NYC
    That is for the weekend. Meanwhile i focus on soccer and my courses. :D
     
  19. CG

    CG Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    the only important stat will be the scoreline at the end of 90 minutes.
     
  20. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Where's Miller? Let me guess - injured?
     
  21. manuniked

    manuniked New Member

    Oct 26, 2004
    New York
    I think we'll play
    ..................Howard
    P.Nev....Brown.. O'shea....Fortune
    ............Djemba Djemba
    ........Fletcher.......Kleberson
    Bellion...........................Richardson
    ...................Smith

    Ricardo
    Spector
    Eagles
    Ngalula
    Rossi

    The stats mentioned above do not indicate anything other than that United's reserve squad of non injured players are older and more experienced than Arsenal's .
    Remember that Edu, gilberto, Cygan, Aliadiere are injured and that many of last seasons second string have moved on like Kanu, Jeffers, Parlour, Keown etc because Arsenal had more faith in these youngsters.
    Arsenal's reserve keeper just joined so hasn't played much premiership football. Howard was at one point united's first choice and so has played more premiership games...therefore ...WHAT?
    Arsenal might as well play Vieira as with his various bans he's not going to be playing all that much :D
    Isn't it funny how the gooners get so excited about their young talent but have already started thinking of their excuses in case they lose!!!
    They would not be in the situation they are in now if they were able to lose gracefully, say well done and move forward.
    I personally expect them to win tomorrow for several reasons:
    1. They play together regularly as a team.
    2. They are more confident ( they are reserves due to their age and not having had an opportunity as opposed to many United players who have not proved themselves worthy of a first team place after many opportunities). 3.They are possibly more talented as a team unit.
    4. They need this win more.

    I would gladly take this loss in exchange for three points over the weekend....
     
  22. Kavster

    Kavster New Member

    May 16, 2004
    Brighton, UK
    That doesn't come across as the most ambitious of comments. I think we can win this fixture and win at the weekend too, WHY NOT?? We are actually starting to show some form and consistency, and i think that we'll win this fixture.

    The only problem is, Chelski are fielding a strong side in the Carling Cup because i think they need to win SOMETHING in case the league goes tits up and they finish the season with NOTHING :D
     
  23. bigtoga

    bigtoga Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas, Texas
    Yeah... Where is he?
     
  24. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he's going to make it. Recent comments seem to suggest that Fergie doesn't think he's up to it... Miller tried to confront Fergie, but pulled his hamstring while attempting to stand up...
     
  25. Cou5

    Cou5 New Member

    Mar 24, 2004
    right here...
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Repped for this one...
     

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