Madridistas All Over Copa And Euros Collide While Colombians Dominate - The Other Teams Thread

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  1. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Tech industry is laying off thousands every year as we speak.
     
  2. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Greed is killing these sports deals.
     
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  3. The Biscuitman

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    Jul 4, 2007
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    Reading FC
    Pogba's ban is reduced. He can start training in 2 months time and playing in 5 months time.
     
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  4. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    His ban is over in January - Transfer window - Saudi transfer. Very logical process.
     
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  5. Akramzizou

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    Feb 13, 2006
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    The broadcasting companies just suck at streaming man. Can someone tell ESPN not to show the scores for live games before you start the feed? If I miss the first 30 min of a game, I want to just open the game and rewind to the beginning (or Ideally have the app ask me if I want to start from live time or beginning of the game). Right now I have to ask my wife to do that to avoid the million spoilers everywhere.
     
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  6. Edino Edinho

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    Dec 28, 2005
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    Nico Paz was the best player on the pitch during the first half against Napoli away. Como dominated in a big way. However in the second half, so far 73 min, he' s been invisible like ał Como attacking players
     
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  7. Saeta Rubia

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    May 28, 2010
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  8. celito

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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
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    Brazil
    Paramount give you the option to start from the beginning of the match if you open the feed midway through if I am not mistaken. Just a question of time before features get implemented.
     
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  9. 4x4s

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    These are all absolutely horrible, but I am absolutely convinced it's a time issue. We worked for 1,5 years on mine, and it's galaxies better than those. A football player simply doesn't have the time, to do that, along with the meticulous healing process of a big backpiece.
     
  10. Akramzizou

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    Feb 13, 2006
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    Paramount is better, but app is a bit sluggish and if you rewind a live game that goes into extra time it ends the game for me when the live game goes to extra time. I prefer streaming over cable, but I don't get how companies spend billions on TV rights but their apps are at this level.
     
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  11. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    Man, if I had to pay each service to watch La Liga, UCL, Brasileirão, Libertadores, and Copa do Brasil, I would be spending A LOT. It's just unfeasible. I need all those competitions in one service with a VERY reasonable price to switch from alternative methods.
     
  12. lecannois

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    Real Madrid
    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    The price is killing the deal in France re Ligue 1. People were williing to pay 9-10 euros a month no problem. If you're at 19,99 euros, you need a proper channel with other leagues and programming. This is JUST for Ligue 1. The whole concept was stupid.

    They need to create a proper channel then they'll get their 1 million subscribers like Amazon last year and Canal+ in the past has.

    LFP in France is a shitshow. Not that La Liga with Tebas is much better. But Spain is far more passionate about football than French people. Other than Marseille, Paris and Lyon... nobody lives or dies for football in France.
     
  13. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    I found it funny that Richarlison has his face tattooed alongside R9 and Neymar. Dude doesn't lack self belief. :D
     
  14. lecannois

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    Real Madrid
    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    Read through the Diarra verdict and commentary on it.

    To me, it says that a player can break his contract and find another job. However, it does not stop the party that broke the contract to get sued for damages for breaking it. So although a player can break their contract and look for a new club without impediment... that player does have legal liability for the contract he broke.

    For large contracts, this isn't an issue imo. That would be massive liability for a player so it's unlikely that they'd break their contract.

    This could impact smaller clubs that develop players. Once a player can earn more money somewhere else, he can just break his contract, pay the damages per the contract and sign with a bigger club.

    The way to circumvent the ruling is to put a clause with severe damages for breaking the contract. So a small club could put a quasi "release clause" in the contract as punitive damages for breaking the contract.

    The only real impact is that FIFA and UEFA cannot stop a player from finding another job after breaking their contract, which they can now. I think this is a good thing potentially.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Third generation of Maldini family to play for the national team.

    I wonder if there are other similar cases. It feels like football has a much lower generational effect than other sports.
     
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  16. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Very intrigued by what Sahin is doing at Dortmund. He's being destroyed by some for his football and praised by others, and the results vary a lot, he's either smashing teams or losing in brutal fashion.

    What's disappointing is that instead of granting him time to figure it out, a lot of voices are already calling for a replacement.

    It's Dortmund, the process is part of the game.
     
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  17. Nathanial Essex

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    Mar 19, 2017
    Pics
     
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  18. HZinho

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    Apr 2, 2013
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    Yeah, but you should look at the reasoning for such layoffs. If the ground for layoff is for 'economic' reasons (e.g. reorganisations etc.), then it's a bit easier to lay off large numbers of employees. That's generally not the situation at hand here. The layoff here would typically be grounded on underperformance of an individual, which is generally a very high threshold, though I imagine that will result in some interesting cases in the context of football.
     
  19. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I spoke somebody that's working for an agency yesterday, they don't expect a lot to change, but they are already woking on alternative models (advisor, recruiter) to continue profiting off the sport.

    Eventually this will hurt as many players as it will benefit.

    The reason for a club sacking a player would be the same as with any job. Unsatisfactory performance. Germany also has a trial period for employees and employers. If that becomes part of it, and a player signs somewhere and gets severely injured within the first 6 months, the club can basically drop him without paying him a dime, it's a tricky idea to implement workforce measures in sports.
     
  20. HZinho

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    Apr 2, 2013
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    Oh, I'm certain every single legal department of football clubs, lawyers active in private practice and other relevant parties (such as agencies), are already working on alternatives to mitigate the consequences (if any) of the verdict. In fact, I'm certain that work had started prior to the verdict (because that verdict isn't that surprising from a legal perspective..). That's just how it works. I'm also aware that it won't be a free-for-all situation, benefiting the players (only), but it is a (slight) shift in the balance of power however you look at it.

    And btw, my comment(s) was just to make a nuance to your original post. I'm not saying clubs are done and players will get all the power, lol.
     
  21. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Reading FC
    The Forlan family. Diego, his dad and his grandad all played for the national team and all won the Copa America

    Slightly different, but in England we have the Allen family, who are well known here as a number of them became footballers. Clive Allen being the most well known, as he was one of Spurs best players in the 1980's. A load of cousins, uncles, brothers, kids etc all made it. Must have been some interesting family get togethers!

    We also had the Wallace brothers in the late 80's and into the 90's here that were well known. They were twins and an older brother, and they all broke through at Southampton roughly at the same time in the top division and the 3 of them played in the same team together

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  22. lecannois

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    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    NFL has a model like this where every contract is basically 1 year deals even if it’s longer term on face value. Two quirks:
    - The signing fee acts as the guaranteed money for the player. Not the lifetime value of the wages, which is year to year because a player can be released at any time. Club is responsible for the wages for the year he gets released and and remaining payment on signing fee
    - clubs can designate a couple of players a year as “franchise players”. This means that the player has to stay, assuming there are still years left on his contract. But, the wage has to be adjusted to be among the top 5 at his position.

    Not saying this is the right model for football. Just pointing out how another league handles a similar situation.

    Again, development clubs who rely on transfer fees are completely screwed.
     
  23. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    NFL players can also get traded. The US model is completely incompatible to Europe.

    That's because you're assuming that something will change, but until a player says he's out, the way things are going is the way things will remain.

    FIFA and UEFA believe that their rules are still valid and confirmed and in tune with european employment laws. Going to be hard to register a player that decides to operate against that.
     
  24. lecannois

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    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    The Germany example is “at-will” working contracts, which most people have. Not long term work contracts, which higher executives get.

    Again, the ruling states that a player cannot be stopped from finding other work if he breaks a contract. It doesn’t state the player is not liable for breaking the contract.

    Same thing for a club. They can fire a player but they remain liable for the contract terms broken. So I don’t think it changes anything for clubs.

    Basically, makes a football player like any other employee. The issue was that a player who breaks a contract was restricted from playing football for any other club… until now.
     
  25. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    You still have to register the player, and if the guys you register them with consider the contract not valid, it's going to be hard for the player to be registered.

    That's where the whole thing stops.
     

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