Madridistas All Over Copa And Euros Collide While Colombians Dominate - The Other Teams Thread

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  1. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Before Guardiola*
     
  2. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Messi was way more responsible for that group's success than Guardiola. They won a CL with freaking Luis Enrique as their coach.
     
  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    How good was Xavi in your book then ?
     
  4. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    If Modric is 10, I would give Xavi a solid 6.5 considering his entire career. 8 during his Messi years.
     
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  5. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I get it rating Modric higher. They are midfielders with a bit of different skills. Xavi was good for how Barca played ... but not only that, for Spain as well. Xavi controlled the pace of the game more and I think was better with short control foot skills. Mind you, Xavi was player of the tournament in Euro 2008 ... that was before Pep and before Messi started making his big impact. So that nobody moniker is really an exaggeration.

    At the end of the day, you don't play like Barca did with only one exceptional player (Messi). I could point out that Messi in his prime, couldn't win anything for Argentina while Xavi / Iniesta dominated NT football with Spain for 5 years. The narrative was that Messi was basically propped up by Xavi / Iniesta. At the end of the day, they all benefitted greatly from each other and were all exceptional players that played a system that benefitted their skills.

    Obviously midfield players like Xavi will only get visibility and recognition if their team wins titles. If Modric stayed at Spurs, I'd imagine he wouldn't be viewed the same way.
     
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  6. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Disagree, he was a very good player, it didn't last very long but for a few seasons there he was part of the best midfield in the world, for the best team at the time and arguably one of best squads to ever be put together.
     
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  7. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    In terms of player profile Xavi was much closer to Kroos. Certainly not the flashiest nor did he have the acceleration+agility to carry the ball forward but he made the game tick for Barcelona.
    A major difference compared to Kroos is that he used to make those clever runs off the ball.
    A staggering stat btw: he had 23 assists in 2008-2009 in La Liga alone (and 16 the following season).
     
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  8. WhiteRM

    WhiteRM Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 17, 2024
    I wouldn't say they got 7 easier games waiting for them, they need to face Bayern, and Dortmund away, they also need to face Benfica away and that isn't an easy game(1W , 2D, 1L).

    The fact that they lost in the first games it means also they can't rotate too much, and it's also help us in the La Liga. if they wouldn't lose to Monaco, Flick would made rotations vs Young Boys* instead of Osasona.

    *Young Boys are much weaker than than Osasona.
     
  9. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Glad to see PSG lose games in the Champions League. Many of their fans blamed Mbappe for their failures in the champions league and have been nonstop hyping the team chemistry under Enrique and calling all their players world class.

    Let’s see how they do without a leader on the pitch
     
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  10. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Exactly. Although I'd say that Xavi had great agility if players decided to pressure him. He could run a circle around those players and make them chase his shadow. But yeah, he wasn't going to take on and glide past players.
     
  11. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    And from Negreira.
     
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  12. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    Enrique handicapped them even further by kicking Dembele off the squad list for the game their only WC attacker
     
  13. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    While this might be correct, you can't let a player get away with anything just because he's good.
     
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  14. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Girona have scored their first ever CL goal.
     
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  15. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    But nobody really knows what was behind it. Only that they had an argument over a selfish play by Dembele in a game they had already won by a big margin. If this was in private then there is no reason for him to have excluded him from the squad putting QSG at a disadvantage, unless it got personal/physical. If it happened infront of the whole team then it depends on how the conversation went.

    What we do know is that Enrique is a weirdo and a control freak while Dembele has 2 braincells but there has been no indication from his previous stints that Dembele is the sort that will verbally disrespect his coach while there is plenty of examples where Enrique acts all authoritarian.
     
  16. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    Girona collapsing completely
     
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  17. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    Gazzaniga rectifying his dumb mistake by saving the penalty
     
  18. 4x4s

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    #3968 4x4s, Oct 2, 2024
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    Luis Enrique isn't the brightest sunshine in the world, but i'm ready to trust his judgement over somebody who just placed heaps of trash bags in a corner of his garden because he was too lazy to walk over the street and throw them in the bin.

    I don't consider this a response to an incident, i just think that's been the last straw. I've never heard of a player as stupid as Dembele. He's legendary.


    For what it's worth Luis Enrique seems to have said that there is no issue between the player and the coach but between the players commitment and the team.
     
  19. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    The players that don't fulfill their potential these days are lazy as hell. That's always been the case, but then you'd have players like Cassano and Balotelli who were interesting characters and not just withering away eating pizza and playing Fortnite.
     
  20. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    --other--
    1841534405837218010 is not a valid tweet id
     
  21. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
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    Leganes, Las Palmas and Alaves.

    You can consider this a financial fine with a visual effect (an empty supporter stand).
     
  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Asamoah said back when he played when his locker didn't have his favorite drinks he'd ask "don't we have any young players in this team?" nowadays the young players are already behaving like they own the place. Nobody wants to do the rookie stuff, carry the goals, collect the cones after training.

    Guler seems the most old school young player I've seen in a very long while.
     
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  23. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    This is considered a slap on the wrist.
     
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  24. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Here, let me cheer you up:

    A number of Culers and some in the media are questioning why Flick HEAVILY rotated against Osasuna away, rather than doing some rotation at home vs Alaves, and then more at home vs Young Boys.

    It is questionable, strategically, to have rotated heavily, on the road, against the strongest side of the 3 fixtures. Some see it as an unforced error.

    We'll have to see.
     
  25. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty much. I didn't post it but in response to the idea that of having the stadium closed for the next Madrid derby, etc., the punishment has to be consquential enough to be a deterent.

    The stopping the game and teams going to the lockerrooms backfired on Real Madrid so that of course doesn't help and when you have half measures like "partial" stadium closures all you do embolden the behavior because I doubt this is going make these cavemen reconsider or have second thoughts about doing this type of thing (again).
     
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