M.A.C Herman Award finalists

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by Sandon Mibut, Nov 6, 2002.

  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    The NSCAA announced the finalists for the new, improved and merged MAC Herman Award. As usual, there are a few players who have NO BUSINESS being on this list and a few who got snubbed.

    Here's the list -

    Brian Carroll, junior midfielder, Wake Forest
    Ryan Coiner, senior forward, San Diego
    Alecko Eskandarian, junior forward, Virginia
    Ryan Futogaki (sic), senior midfielder, UCLA
    Sumed Ibrahim, junior midfielder, Maryland
    Nate Jaqua, junior forward, Portland
    Roger Levesque, senior forward, Stanford
    Ryan Mack, senior midfielder, Indiana
    Pat Noonan, senior forward, Indiana
    Jordan Quinn, senior forward, South Carolina
    Damani Ralph, senior forward, Connecticut
    David Stokes, junior defender, North Carolina
    Mike Tranchilla, senior forward from Creighton
    Diego Walsh, senior midfielder , Southern Methodist
    Chris Wingert, junior midfielder (sic), St. John’s

    I have no problems with most of the nominations but some of them are just a joke.

    Tranchilla and Stokes I don't have as much of a problem with but I think they got this a lot on rep. Tranchilla got off to a slow start because of an injury and missing games because of a funeral. But. he has 11 goals and 3 assists and has Creighton in contention for a first round bye in the tourney. Still, there are several forwards having better years this year.

    Stokes, who had a great sophomore season, got off to a slow start this year as he adapted to being the leader of a UNC defense that lost several players to graduation. He played poorly early in the year but has settled down the past 6 weeks or so, according to the people I've talked to. Certainly on talent he deserves the nomination but there are some defenders that have played better.

    Now, among the players who got slighted are Coastal Carolina's Joseph Ngweyna, whose 23 goals and 8 helpers lead the nation in scoring and whose team is undefeated. How does the scoring leader, playing for one of 2 undefeated teams, miss this list?

    Similarly, Wisconsin-Milwaukee's Antou Jallow has 19 goals and 5 assists for a team that is 15-1-1. But he gets no love from the Herman folks.

    Goalkeeper's totally got the shaft with Clemson's Doug Warren (.870 save percentage) and St. John's Bill Gaudette (0.30 g.a.a) playing the best this year.

    Also getting screwed were Furman mid Ricardo Clark, who has lead a team through some amazingly hard times, the Cal soph. duo of defender Troy Roberts (0.61 gaa) and MF Mike Munoz (team-leading 7 goals and 3 assists), Clemson's Ricky Lewis, the most talented defender in college ball, UC Santa Barbara mid Memo Arzate (3 goals, and a nation-leadin 14 assists) and San Diego flank mid Matt McCausland (5 goals, 6 assists), the best-kept secret in college soccer.

    I don't know who picks these finalists but they seriously need to start doing their homework and not relying on reputations.


    Let's start with Ryan Futagaki, whose name the NSCAA couldn't even bother to spell right. That's somehow apt because this guy is so unworthy. A fifth-year senior, he's been benched part of the season (was a sub for 3 games) and only has 3 goals and 2 assists this year. Granted, stats aren't always an accurate indicator of a player's skills, but Futagaki isn't the type of player - like, for instance, Carroll - who does the intangible things that don't come up in the stat sheet.

    Sumed Ibrahim is a good player but he's not even the best attacker on his team. That honor goes to Abe Thompson, who is both Maryland's captain and leading scorer. Sumed is a good player but no way does he warrant a nomination, especially since he's disappeared in too many big games, like Clemson and UVa.


    Ryan Mack is a good player and I admire the way he's come back from a serious knee injury. He's got good numbers but he's not even the best midfielder on his team. Teammate Ned Grabavoy deserved to be nominated over Mack.

    Jordan Quinn? Are you kidding? Look, forwards are supposed to score and Herman Award nominees are supposed to carry their teams. Quinn has done neither. I like Quinn as a player and think his size will earn him a look from MLS. But he only has 6 goals and 1 assist this year and most of his numbers were put up early in the year when SC was playing well. Not coincidentally, since SC has been struggling, Quinn hasn't been scoring.
     
  2. iusccerfan

    iusccerfan New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    Great report Sandon.

    Now that we know who you think is unworthy, who do you feel is the most worthy to receive this award?
     
  3. FIXXXER

    FIXXXER New Member

    Feb 16, 2001
    Hotlanta, GA
    Can someone with a little objectivity please explain how Stokes is on this list and Ricky Lewis isn't. I know Sandon is a big fan, but he is the best defender in the country and if there is going to be a defender on that list it is Ricky Lewis.

    Absolute crap
     
  4. fractions

    fractions New Member

    Aug 25, 2002
    what about westfield @ clemson? 17 goals, 5 game winners? not saying he's the best out there, but he ought to be at least considered over some of those forwards.
     
  5. Giffetinho

    Giffetinho New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Just because some crap players got nominated doesn't mean they're going to win the award. Can you think of anyone in the last decade who was undeserving of the MAC or the Hermann and actually won either?
     
  6. LuvDaBears

    LuvDaBears New Member

    Sep 4, 2002
    USA
    I can say from experience that there is yet to be a list of honorees for post season awards in ANY sport where there aren't a few "unworthy" candidates. Basically, it just goes with the territory. But, as Sandon points out, the player from Coastal is more than deserving of being on this list. That being said, what is Coastal's media relations department doing to promote their player?
    At ACC schools, Big Ten, Big East, etc., the media relations people actively promote their players in all sports, and let's face it, the squeaky wheel....

    If Coastal's media relations folks have been promoting their player, and he still doesn't get on the list with those numbers, then one has to seriously question the validity of this award.

    I don't know if any college SID's read these posts, but I'd like to hear from them on what they do to promote their players.
     
  7. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Sandon...
    Good points as usual, but you as well as anyone knows the Hermann is a beauty contest:
    1) among players from the "name" programs
    2) seldom recognizes great defenders or goalkeepers (should be a separate national award anyway like the Lombardi trophy)
    3) downplays underclassman
    4) rewards performane vs. schedule strength
    That said, my comments would be:

    Mack - Indiana - sentimental favorite - Rule 1,4
    Jallow - UWM- sophmore and softest schedule strength among top 30 teams - Rule 1,3,4
    Grabavoy - Indiana - sophomore - Rule 3
    Ricardo Clark - Furman - sophomore - Rule 3
    Lewis - Clemson - defender - Rule 2
    Warren - Clemson - Rule 2 (no GK's at all!)
    Gaudette - St. John's (see Warren)
    Futagaki - UCLA- Rule 1,4 - (see Mack)
    Ngweyna - Coastal C - Rule 1,4 (softer schedule than UWM)
    Roberts - Cal - sophomore - Rule 3
    Munoz - Cal - sophomore - Rule 3
    Quinn - Rule 1
    Ibrahim - Rule 1,4 (Should be Thompson, but Sasho must have had a hand in this one.)
     
  8. oldguy

    oldguy New Member

    Oct 16, 2002
    MAC/Herman

    Doug Warren should definitely be one of the finalists for the Herman.

    David Stokes should not be on that list. Have watched Stokes play several times this season, and he is absolutely not one of the best defenders in college soccer. He should not even be considered for US National teams.

    Unfortunately, there are junior/senior defenders playing the college game who are outstanding players (much better than Stokes), but they do not receive their deserved recognition because of the teams they play on who are not in the spotlight.
     
  9. Giffetinho

    Giffetinho New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    So who do you think will actually win the award, and why?

    So who do you think will actually win the award, and why?
     
  10. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Well, if thr most deserving candidate is the player who will make the biggest impact professionally (in fact, these trophies often reflect the OPPOSITE), then Noonan and Eskandarian are your #1 and #2 candidates.

    I don't think there's any doubt that Noonan will be a Top 5 pick in the MLS draft, barring injury.

    So, he's a safe pick, and arguably, on skill and ability, a deserving one.
     
  11. LuvDaBears

    LuvDaBears New Member

    Sep 4, 2002
    USA
    I think Eskandarian wins by a slight edge over Noonan. As someone posted, there should be a separate award for keepers.
     
  12. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    I think, in recent years, the Hermann is actually the "kiss of death" when it comes to professional careers. It will go to the player whose been on the list for at least 2 consecutive seasons and plays for the highest ranked team with the most influential coach. Look for Noonan since this is Yeagley's last season.
     
  13. iusccerfan

    iusccerfan New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    This is not Yeagley's last season. Next season is.
     
  14. LuvDaBears

    LuvDaBears New Member

    Sep 4, 2002
    USA
    Is Freitag going to take over IU?
     
  15. iusccerfan

    iusccerfan New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    Yes. And I feel the program couldn't be in better hands. Freitag is the driving force of IUs defense, and does a lot more work with the team right now that one might expect. It should be a seemless transition.
     
  16. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    When I heard 2003 I thought it was the academic year, not the season. It's still most likely Noonan.
     
  17. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I think politics will definitely influence the vote and I think the voters will want to reward the players who stick around for 4 seasons when they could have gone pro earlier. Thus, I think Noonan will get the award.

    He's a fine choice but I think strong and justifiable cases could be made for Wingert, Carroll and Esky.
     
  18. M.T. Nets

    M.T. Nets New Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    It will be interesting how the chemistry develops between Freitag and Todd Yeagley, as I understand it he will be joining the coaching staff at IU.

    Stay tuned.........
     
  19. iusccerfan

    iusccerfan New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    Yes. Todd is definitley going to join the Hoosier coaching staff starting next year.
     
  20. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Thanks Todd!
     
  21. iusccerfan

    iusccerfan New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
    Sorry not Todd. But good try! :)
     

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