Los 23 que viajan (R)

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by MetroChile, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I agree, but you, as a doctor, should know that no 2 patients are the same, no matter how many books of the problem you read. Something can happen to you and me and we could both evolve completely different. Imo, the swelling, as was explained by doctors, is something that was within the margin of normal possibilities in his healing process. There was a decent chance it was gonna happen whether he played or not. I realize that by me saying we start all over again but that is what i think and stand by it.
     
  2. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes, but the main issue here is that Vidal was played without the consent of any of the doctors and specialists who were treating him. Where he was evolving perfectly till the minute before he entered the pitch. And at the next day his recovery suffered a big aggravation of his condition, which is perfectly described in almost all literature related to the issue. His case was not special at all.

    Nothing abnormal happened here. When he played it was expected by the doctors that his condition would suffer afterwards, reasons why they did not give their consent for him to play in the first place. Of course Vidal and Sampaoli chose to not listen and believed that nothing would happen afterwards. But it did, as expected by those who study this type of things, and now both Sampaoli and Vidal must face the consequences of their call.

    Hey man, I respect you.
    If I didn't, I wouldn't be trying to help you understand it yourself by posting any of my long posts related to it. If at the end, you still don't believe or understand it, it's no big deal, and I will continue respecting you the same way as before, afterwards.

    As a fan, I also want nothing of this happening and everything going in accordance to the original plan, as through it, although the chances for him to play were still low, there still were hopes that Vidal could've evolved positively and he could've played very close to his 100 %, if required, specially against Spain and Netherlands. But with this fck-up, those chances have decreased to the point where he may probably not even play 1 minute in this WC now. The damage concerning Vidal is already done and nothing can change things back, as they were before he played those 13 minutes.
    Can he recover in time ? not likely (as a doctor), but we still have hope he does (as a fan).
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    Now turning the page, we don't really need Vidal. He was very important for the team, but he was no key player, as Sampaoli has trained this team as a group of players where no one is vital for the functioning of the team. It was a huge blow, but we can still play as almost the same way without Vidal.
    Now if at the same time, we have Vidal out, Diaz out, Medel out, Sanchez out, Vargas out, Valdivia out, only then we would be screwed without hope of achieving anything. But of all of them, only Vidal is in deep shit. Besides, all the other guys not mentioned here, also have their part or share in this team.

    We'll get over it.:thumbsup:
     
  3. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    x2.

    Time for the rest of the midfielders to step up and justify why they are in the team. The guys who are there are good enough to get the job done and more. This is one of the best midfields in the world cup with or without Vidal; they are an underrated bunch because people tend to focus mainly on the financial value.

    I'm all for leaving Vidal on the bench for the entire tournament and, if possible, bringing him on in the last stage of a game when a result is 'on the line' where he can take advantage of the rival's exhaustion (e.g. the temperature will not be easy for other teams to deal with for 90+ minutes).
     
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  4. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Not trying to be the devil's advocate, but would the infamous 13 minutes have made any difference? it is likely in my view that had Vidal not played, he under Sampaoli direction would have trained intensively to bring his game ready status up to snuff. So would he not have aggravated his knee then? I just wonder. Like some have said, Vidal will probably not play in any game, except perhaps a couple of minutes in the last game just to make a cameo appearance.
     
  5. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Only read this, but salud ;) Algún dia tendremos que hacer junta Bigsoccer en algun bar bueno de Stgo.
     
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  6. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Update as of 2:26 pm. Vidal´s knee is fine and better, just a little swelling. However, he is presenting problems in another part of his body. Today in the afternoon they are going to test him in a demanding environment. RadioADN.


    So basically, tonight we should have a much clearer picture.
     
  7. Ezto

    Ezto Member

    Jun 27, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    hay unas viejas en este foro....
     
  8. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    I'm going to be shitting bricks if Vidal starts against Australia.
     
  9. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Ahora a las 9 am en ADN Radio estan diciendo que Vidal va de titular mañana; ojala nos tengamos que lamentarnos despues de eso.
     
  10. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ya lo único que pienso con que toda esta wevadita de Vidal, que es solo un weveo táctico para despistar a los equipos oponentes y a la prensa deportiva (que suelen hacer las veces de "soplones" a favor de los oponentes, cuando se practica alguna táctica innovadora, por su deseo de informar alguna "primicia"). :confused:
    El gran problema es que de pasada nos está cagando la psiquis a todos los fanáticos también.....o_O

    Francamente, ya no se que otra cosa pensar al respecto. Si Sampaoli, con todo esto logra desconcertar a los oponentes de la misma forma como nos lo está haciendo a nosotros, habrá resultado extraordinariamente positivo en lo táctico, si efectivamente logra pillarlos desprevenidos.

    Me cuesta creer que realmente vaya a utilizarlo ahora, contra Australia, pero de Sampaoli, ya cualquier cosa se puede esperar. Y si lo llega a utilizar, con lo rudo que suelen jugar los "canguros" (suelen explotar su contundencia física), con una entrada fuerte o un "chuletazo", estaría hipotecando sus opciones futuras, contra los otros rivales, que en teoría son mucho más de temer.
     
  11. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Concuerdo con Rick. Creo que no lo veremos vs Australia a no ser que estemos perdiendo.
     
  12. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Bueno, ojalá sean solo tácticas para despistar a Australia. No deberíamos necesitar de Vidal para derrotar a Australia.
     

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