I got this article from el diario Ole (in Spanish) in which el Lorito Jimenez talks about differences between Mexico and Argentina. He said some interesting things about lack of pressure that players feel in Mexico. Sort of confirms how well extranjeros have it as well as how nurtured Mexican players have it. Anybody have any thoughts ??? http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pagina.jsp?pagId=870417
!!!!!! FunnyMonkey_58++ Points. I think Jimenez committed a mistake in doing this interview in such fashion. Maybe not huge, or even that significant, but it seems little standoffish. It's not clear, of course, but it seems like the payday is what matters to him. I'm not too thrilled about players like this but, then again, I'm not running the team.
Too funny. I got to spread the wealth before I give you more props though. Nothing to surprising, but he is in Veracruz. Bigger clubs do have more pressure, he just hasn't experienced it yet. The point I was left with was that futbol is still a game in Mexico and treated as such, which in my eyes is good and humane. To me it was more interesting to read the insight into Argie futbol. That is serious shizzle.
Don't you think we're past the point that in Mexico it is still a game ??? It is ultra professional or at least it should be treated like that. I just don't see us making the step from a tier 2 leaugue into a top tiered leaugue unless fans and media start demanding more out of players and perhaps even more of the directivos. It's easy to criticize the foreign players for just coming over for the money. In many instances its warranted. My concern is that we seem to expect more out of them than we do of Mexican players. Its our players who make up the national team and unless we start demanding more of them, it will be a lot harder to take the next step to have a better national team ... flame on
I would say it is ultra-commercilaized for sure, ultra professional is not. That's part of the problem. Directivos and some of the owners definately are not profesional, I give as an example Lebrija and Puebla's president Bernat.
leano is the tude from Tecos. Bernat is the dude from Puebla. The MFL is great, but there is so much we can improve on. its not ultra-commercialized. We seriously need to improve in that department. The Mexican league needs to expand its horizons past Mexico, Central America, South America, and the US. Our league and our players are not known in Asia, Africa, or Europe. Our league and our NT is better than many European leagues and NT and still, they dont know us. Our Federation is one of the richest federations in the world. Last WC, we payed the 2nd highest salary to a coach (Sven made just a tad more), and we have 1st division teams that dont even have official websites. And some of them arent even updated. With the TV deals that they make, they should be able to afford one. The FMF has a nicer website, but still primitive nonetheless. The FMF website should include the amatuer era, every professional player that has played, history of every professional club, player stats, etc. How many DVDs do you see about the MFL? even the MLS has the best of X season and the best goals of X season. At our stadiums, they allow venders to sell cheap imitations of club merchandise. I would let the food venders stay (for a small fee), but wouldnt allow those rip off venders to stay. every thing from the napkin that you recieve when you buy a taco to our 2nd division should be commercialized. We lack professionalism as well. I was reading an interview given by Ignacio Trelles and he talked about the jump into professionalism. He said it was just a word that made "them" feel better. he said the players were still getting paid during the amatuer era, But they were far from being professional. I do think we are leaps and bounds from the point of time that Trelles was talking, but the idea is the same. i honestly think that we have a 3rd (segunda) and 4th (tercera) to make us feel professional, because quite frankly, we arent a country that can support 4 professional divisions. Granted, we have 100+ M Mexicans, but the football culture in Mexico is different. Its not like England where folks are more inclined to support their local club. There is a reason why America, Chivas, Cruz Azul can play on the road with homelike conditions-the fan base. The lower divisions (3rd and 4th) are subsidized and could not survive on thier own. But to get back on topic. Veracruz is not a big club. Veracruz (way of living) by nature is more laid back. The club reflects that. Go to Cruz Azul, Chivas, America, UNAM, (even Toluca and the Mty teams) the pressure is there. But Jimenez's perception of fan expectations is rather off. Fans willing to physically or verbally attack players is not fanaticism, those are acts of delinquency. But he mentioned Banfield? CMON! What do thier fans expect? What do fans of Nueva Chicago, Chacarita, Argentinos, Atlas, Godoy Cruz really expect out of thier teams? He talks about the chanting. Fine. Different football culture. But is 30-40K fans in attendence better than 7-15K? He talks about rival fans being able to sit by each other. Again, his perception of what a fan is? And we have stupid Mexicans that want that type of violence in our stadiums where "fans" cant even sit to watch a game of soccer. Personally, i think its embarassing that we are caged in like animals. When i went to Victoria Stadium, it was awsome that a fence didnt go around the playing surface. all I can say to him, beware what he wishes for. If he is thinking about America. the press will be on him like flies on shyt
I agree with most of your points, except the commercializaton, I don't think that ther would be a lot of demand for Mexican futbol merchandise in other countries other than the U.S and Mexico. Again just my opinion but lets face reality, we are not viewed as one of the best leagues in the world. About the Argie fans, yeah we do not need that kind of fanaticicsm in Mexico and by the way you read my post before I realized my mistake and fixed it.
Well said good chap.. This is also part of the reason why many of our players are reluctant to go abroad. Not only that but one or two good seasons at a club and that players gets blown up and are considered th next best thing. This happened to Antonio De Nigris at Monterrey, he is now on a two year gol drought !!!
You never know until you attempt. I am not saying to go on an Asian tour and rake up 50$ M a la Real Madrid. I understand that we are not viewed as one of the best leagues, and why is that? Doing nothing will get you nothing. I have Canadian friends who think the the MFL cant hang with any South American leagues. And some of those friends look towards the MLS because they dont know shyt about the MFL. They dont even know the salaries they pay can compete at a global scale. Maybe we need to look east and try to find the next Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Andriy Schevchenko. Bring them in when they are 20-21 and sell them back to Europe at age 25-26. Have some of thier countrymen look towards the MFL to see how they are doing is a good start. The best player in Finland, Norway, Sweden doesnt make more than 375K a year. If Sallies tune it to watch Cienfuegos, if Colombians tune in to watch Calero, if Chapines tune in to watch Panda, why not a eastern euro? I know a while back they had those dudes from Crotia or someplace like that, but not those fools.
LOL! LMvCP is right its worth a shot. I would get some asian sensation and place that man on a team and translate the team websites and get it all updated and what not and watch the cash register ring.Your right about people not knowing what kind of talent is in the League, that's the fault of the leauge. There seems to be a lot of people that are happy with the money being made, but why stop there make billions I say. You could go after younger talent and make cash money! That guys a moron the league need to be civilized not crazy get your assed kicked for wearing the wrong colors.
> I had a point there. I know theres a whole mess of more pics like these. i dont really wanna see them tho <
Once again, the use of a plethora. This board is obsessed with El Guapo. Then again, you are awarded a privilege or two for listing Arau as one of your favorites.
Good work, Chango Chistoso. But we're using it in different context. A superabundance; an excess. Go rent "¡Three Amigos!" starring Martin Short, Steve Martin, Chevy Chase and Alfonso Arau! Then you'll know more than you could ever imagine. Who knows!? I might just give you a start in the next Team Bocon vs Washington Senators matchup.
We can all pretty much agree that the directivos are almost all worthless. Who are the ones that might be able to step up and take control and set up a plan that would take el futbol mexicano to the next level ??? Or do they exist ?? I was thinking maybe Enrique Borja. Would Hugo (even though I'm not a fan of his) have a bigger impact than as a coach (however unlikeley that his becoming president of FMF might be) Rafa Puente seems even keeled and probably has soom good ideas. Until we get this situation resolved, we will always be stuck where we're at and having to do things sobre la marcha ... Too bad that politics and interests all get in the way of making a better league.