Loose Cannon!: Reggie at QPR

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  1. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Screenshot_20240507_101317_QPR FC.jpg QPR has exercised the option on Jimmy Dunne, who has been keeping Reggie on the bench.
     
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  2. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
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  4. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  5. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he stays is on the bench again his will be maybe the career that fizzled the most ever without major injuries. Just one bad decision leading to another etc.
     
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  6. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
  7. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I think that's saying Boavista are liable for that amount.

    If I'm understanding this and other reports correctly, it sounds like Cannon and QPR are jointly and severally liable for €1.3m, plus interest, for Cannon terminating the contract without just cause, while Boavista are liable to pay Cannon €78k, plus interest, which is either fully or mostly due to outstanding wages.

    That makes me think maybe there were in fact unpaid wages that Cannon and QPR thought provided just cause for terminating the contract, but that FIFA disagreed. But hard to know without more information.
     
  9. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


    Nope looks like Reggie owes it. Worst YA move of all time?
     
  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
  11. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wow this is brutal

    a club can not pay 78k in wages but somehow the contract is still valid??

    once a club stops paying wages...the contract should be voided, imo

    not to mention boavista still hasnt paid fc dallas their transfer fee yet
     
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  12. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I should clarify, while some of the articles I'm seeing are saying that the entire 78k represents the amount of unpaid wages, other articles seem to be suggesting that the 78k consists of 45k in unpaid wages and then 33k on top of that as some sort of penalty or fine related to the unpaid wages.

    As to whether 45k or 78k in unpaid wages would allow a player to terminate their contract, I'll defer to anyone who's familiar with employment law. Though I suspect it may turn on how late the club were in their payments and what sort of timeframe and procedures, if any, the contract provided to allow the club to cure their breach before the player could take drastic measures.
     
  13. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good thing he didn't burn bridges domestically....

    What about indentured servitude? Might be preferable to train & sit on the Boavista bench for a couple yrs, as opposed to paying this back while toiling for Stevenage, et al. It's gonna take a while.
     
  14. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only way to make this right is to have Reggie Cannon pay FC Dallas to play for them again (like a youth soccer pay to play situation, only this time for a professional team)
     
  15. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Sounds perfectly reasonable to me
     
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  16. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't realize how good he had it and let a couple of knuckleheads make him think all the fans hated him. Since then it seems every move he's made has taken him down a bigger rabbit hole.
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Very bad precedent set by FIFA there. Basically young players have to put their lives in the freezer when playing for a deadbeat club that refuses to pay them their salary.
     
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  18. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it's only 45k, then that was probably 2 months of salary for him at Boavista. I'm not the contract lawyer you seek, but that seems pretty slim on reasoning to break the contract.
     
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  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Presumably he will appeal to the CAS and this will be stayed till that is resolved.

    I’m not sure if FIfA releases the text of such decisions but the CAS generally does.

    I’m also not sure why the penalty would be him owning Boavista that amount versus it being his rights reverting back to them.
     
  20. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cannon is not even in the squad today for QPR in their opener against West Brom.

    I am curious how losing this case affects him mentally and how it affects his relationship with QPR.

    What worries me for Cannon is that QPR knew about this matter when the signed him. You wonder if there was "hold harmless" agreement between them that Reggie would be on the hook if he lost.
     
  21. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    The 78k Boavista have to pay Reggie seems to be roughly 60% unpaid wages and 40% penalties which, as @tomásbernal noted, is likely to be two, perhaps three months' salary being paid late, not never being paid.

    In law, that's not usually enough to void a contract entirely and in sports customary "law" as UEFA and the CAS interpret it, otherwise there are a lot of leagues which would never be able to function due to one or more teams facing mass walkouts mid-season.

    Where YAs are concerned, Standard Liege are one club that spring to mind: Marlon Fossey has had some acid remarks about that towards the end of last season
     
  23. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cannon is not in the squad today for QPR's EFL Carabao Cup matchup.
     
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  24. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Probably working a second job to save to pay the debt.
     
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  25. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    Vancouver, Canada
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