Loose Cannon!: Reggie at QPR

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  1. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I am reminded of a story about a couple in Florida who had their home foreclosed on by their bank even though they either had paid timely or it was paid for. They sued the bank and won a settlement. The bank refused to pay so one day they foreclosed on the bank itself. Showed up with the sheriff and changed locks etc. If I remember correctly they had their settlement check by the end of the day.
     
  2. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Well, if there have been any issues with registration, QPR isn't acting like it:



    Maybe my predictions of a looming legal battle are wrong! Wouldn't be the first time.
     
  3. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    There are certainly instances of clubs screwing up paperwork etc. but for the most part, when they drop a decent dollar on a player, they do their due dil. Not that British clubs are exactly clean, but in a question over who is more likely to have fairly solid legal advice, I'll go with QPR over Boavista every time.
     
  4. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    The problem is that the nature of the registration process gives Boavista a chance to lodge a complaint. If they're lying, they will be admonished for it at some point, but it would hold up Reggie's ability to play regardless. No amount of due diligence can prepare for a president who is possibly willing to misrepresent events to FPF to deny the release of Reggie's ITC.

    Also, QPR aren't exactly known for following all the rules.
     
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  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Oh yeah, there are not a lot of legal perfectionists in footie. But it's not really in a club's interest to contract a player that might not be able to play. But I got not real idea. Legal actions will be the tell.
     
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  6. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Yeah, I'll be keeping an eye on the QPR team sheet this weekend. If he's on it, it's probably the last we'll hear about his relationship with Boavista. If not, then we're back to waiting for news
     
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  7. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1032 Atouk, Sep 28, 2023
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    Of note, the FFP issues described in those two links took place in 2014 and earlier. American Lee Hoos has been the Chief Executive Officer at QPR since moving from Burnley in summer 2015. Based on the way Hoos operates, I think he is not likely to make a costly mistake here. I guess we'll see.

    That would be pretty quick. He hasn't had a pre-season. I'd be surprised if he was on the bench this week, though I look forward to him suiting up for the club soon.

    Edited to add that in his initial video interview, he mentioned that the manager and trainers have a plan for him. "It takes a little bit of time." Discussion starting at 3:24.

    https://x.com/QPR/status/1706624669653057799?s=20
     
  8. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    They've also said something to the effect of "he'll have to fight his way in", so even if he was match fit it sounds like wouldn't be handed a spot on the bench.

    But, we also won't know his registration status until he makes a team sheet... all of the relevant repositories (the EFL/FA's lists of registered players, FIFAs TMS, etc) are closed to the public as far as I can tell.
     
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The Schrödinger Cannon: Reggie at/not at QPR
     
  10. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ainsworth did say "he'll have to fight his way in," but when fit he'll certainly have an instant spot on the bench. Our backup at RB right now would be an out-of-position CB or DM. I don't think it'll take him long to take over the starting RB job.

    The current incumbent at right back is Osman Kakay, a 26-year-old English-born Sierra Leone international (17 caps, captained the side for the first time during the last window). Kakay has been with the club since his teens, went on a couple of loans when he was younger, and has, in recent years, been in the mix. But he's never really won the job -- he's had stretches of 6-10 starts in a row 3 or 4 times over the past four seasons until this year. On a tight budget, we haven't brought in any competition this season, even on loan (as last season), until now. Kakay has started all 8 league games (and our League Cup defeat) thus far. His contract expires this season.

    Transfermarkt lists Kakay's transfer value at 400K Euros vs. Cannon's 4M. I note that Cannon is tied for 2nd highest value on the club (Ilias Chair, a member of Morocco's WC squad (though his only appearance was in the 3rd place game), is first at 10M).

    Kakay isn't that bad, but if you asked most QPR supporters about our most glaring weaknesses, they'd probably say right back and depth at striker.

    As far as the formalities being completed, I note Cannon's squad number has not been announced and he doesn't yet appear on the roster on the website.

    FYI, for those not familiar with QPR, 21-year-old American forward Charlie Kelman is also on the roster. He was loaned out the last couple of seasons, and isn't getting much time yet this year (1 start, 1 sub appearance), but is often on the bench.

    https://www.qpr.co.uk/players/charliekelman
     
  11. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    From your lips to God's ears!
     
  12. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I love me some legal drama, but Reggie has been through enough. Let the kid play already...

    That said, I'm still skeptical by how seamless its been with QPR. If there really is no challenge from Boavista over his registration, then the club's president blatantly lied to the press about legal issues. I wonder what the libel laws are like in Portugal?
     
  13. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Me too. OTOH what's in it for Reggie if he pursues the guy in court? Win or lose, Reggie will waste a lot of time and, especially, energy on organizing the lawyers, making depositions, giving testimony, etc. It's a guaranteed rabbit hole for his psyche, which will affect his performances on the pitch and I highly doubt he joined QPR because he wants to finish his career there.

    Then there's the financial aspect. Reggie will undoubtedly have to pay his lawyers up front before the case even gets near a court and good lawyers aren't cheap. Then, if he wins his libel suit, the guy will appeal, and appeal, and appeal . . . Even if Reggie prevails, he'll find that the guy's broke as hell.

    Just collect his back pay from Boavista, tear it up on the pitch and get a Top 5 contract in the next year or two. Then the fans will take out their frustrations on the president for him. :whistling:
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Suing people in their own countries as a foreigner seldom goes well.
     
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  15. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Oh, yeah, it 1000% wouldn't be worth going after him, my question was more like "are there England-esque libel laws in Portugal, and if yes, why would the president put himself at risk like that?"

    Not that a poorly run club needs an excuse to do something stupid, but that's a new level of stupid.
     
  16. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    Hot off the presses from today's QPR program! If I'd sourced some clip art I could have been like the guy who traveled 1200 miles to not see Messi.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    Well, Reggie can't make things any worse. If you ignore the part where Coventry scored all their goals it was a pretty even game. Fans around me directed their ire towards the ref more than the team.
     
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  18. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
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  19. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like things are going swimmingly at Boavista. Surely, Cannon had no legitimate beef with them, no sir.
     
  20. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    surreal... yeah, it seeming more likely that the president was full of shit
     
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  21. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    where that Chess_Panther guy now?.... LOL

    Would love to see you explain away all this other stuff. Go ahead and try and blame it on Reggie. Haha!
     
  22. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was wondering the same thing. We all have favorite teams and are homers but if my team did this I would be so embarrassed to the point of taking a break and hoping they fix it.
     
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  23. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I think their argument would be the same: The Portuguese league require clubs to show proof of payment to the league once every financial quarter. Reggie never alleged missing payments, just late payments, but how could they be late if the club is still in good standing with the league?

    The problem is that he's using the relationship between the club and the league as proof that the club never violated the agreement that defines the relationship between the club and Reggie. Maybe the club was paying Reggie 4 months salary every 4 months, but if Reggie's contract stipulated that he gets paid weekly or monthly, then what does that even matter?

    They never even addressed the other allegations / controversies. Their argument was very narrowly about Reggie's late-payment claims.
     
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  24. mace

    mace Member+

    Indy 11
    United States
    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where is the chess master to explain all of these latest developments?

    edit: d’oh. Someone above beat me to this request!
     
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  25. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    If I wasn’t so lazy I’d search this thread and tag our local expert so he at least he’d know he’s getting dunked on.
     

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