Looking at income disparity/inequality...

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  1. Robert Borden

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  2. ceezmad

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    Many states get back 1.25, so it works very well for them.


    Here is a breakdown, negative numbers like Illinois means we pay up more (-14.8 Billion), positive numbers like Indiana (+11.4 billion) means they get back more than they pay up.

    Lots of welfarequeen states out there.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-taxes-federal-services-difference-by-state-2019-1
     
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  3. ToMhIlL

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    The divide between the "givers" and "takers" among states is pretty much a red/blue split, with those states who are always spouting about "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" and decry "socialism" being the ones who tend to get back more than they put in. But States Rights, or something...
     
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    Hey Sherlock, we are talking about the last 3 years, not the last 30.
     
  7. VFish

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    If you are poor and looking for wage gains Trump is a much better friend than Obama. The BigSoccer response to that fact... Trump hates people of color.
     
  8. taosjohn

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    Thing is, that kinda mischaracterizes what is actually happening. It isn't so much about states being like people, makers and takers, as it is about geography and population. We call them "flyover states" but there's a lotta stuff that can't travel by air, must go by trucks and railroads and barges. It costs big bucks to maintain interstates, trackage, and dredge rivers to keep them navigable. And that's for stuff that needs to get from NYC to Los Angeles and Miami to Seattle, or money will stop accumulating in those cities. In addition the underpopulated, long distance states have the preponderance of our military installations, which another major way federal money gets to states that didn't generate it...

    But being underpopulated, they don't actually have all that many people to be drawing entitlements. Social security and disability and food stamps and such is surely greater for Manhattan alone than for the entire state population of Idaho or Wyoming or New Mexico.

    And then there's the matter of federal obligations to the Indians, many of whom are in the "flyover states" simply because the wealth generating states moved them there. That was then, this is now, but North Carolina surely owes Oklahoma a substantial stipend for decades still to come. It is less than one might expect-- we don't give individuals all that much, and we thinned the population out pretty effectively and the suicide rate remains horrifying.

    But it is still a noticeable line item, and the direction of flow isn't really the fault of states the money is coming to. Even where the Indians are from where they are, they are often still everybody's problem-- for example the scads of Navajo miners in Grants NM who are on disability because the government hired them to mine uranium under grossly unsafe conditions in the 50's and 60's and they are all kind of dissolving now. They are truly expensive-- but they are as much GE's problem, Electric Boat's problem, NASA's problem as they are Santa Fe's...

    And so on.
     
  9. xtomx

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    Social Security and "disability" (if you mean SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance) are NOT entitlements.

    Food stamps are, in so far as they are not prepaid by the recipients.

    As far as "greater for Manhattan alone than for the entire state population of Idaho or Wyoming or New Mexico," that may be true based on total population, but the key indicator is percentage of population.

    New Mexico (21.7%) has the highest SNAP recipient rate in the country, following by Louisiana (17.3%), West Virginia (16.5%), and Mississippi (15%). By contract, California is at 9.3%.

    Only Wyoming is under 5%, by the way.

    Also, The residents of Manhattan are paying way more into the system (through their taxes) than Idaho, Wyoming or New Mexico, both in total amounts (due to the larger population) and in percentage (by having a higher average salary).


    https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-...in-states-to-meet-needs-but-participation-has

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/snap-state-by-state-data-fact-sheets-and-resources
     
  10. superdave

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    Not to mention military bases....
     
  11. taosjohn

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    "In addition the underpopulated, long distance states have the preponderance of our military installations, which another major way federal money gets to states that didn't generate it... "
     
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    The poor are making more because some states have raised the minimum wage, which has nothing to do with Trump.
     
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    Never mind that a strong economy actually supports higher minimum wages... and higher wages in general.
     
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    Except the Navy, which insists that most of its bases be in elite coastal states.
     
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    They do, however, do quite a lot of training in places outside them. And anyway the Air Force goes the other direction, mostly.
     
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    So, Social Security is included in this? If so, I would think that states that are retiree destinations will be wrongly characterized by some as "welfare queen states".
     
  17. dapip

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    Which has been pretty much the same for a decade, so....


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  18. Kazuma

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    I just want to say that I hate that "welfare queen" was coined. Mainly because this person did exist, but said person was linked to so much worse than defraud the government. If you have some down time, look up Linda Taylor and welfare queen on Google. It's quite something.

    It's also because of this that there's this stigma around those on welfare.
     
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  20. ElNaranja

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    Minus the recession, the economy has been in a position to raise worker wages drastically for decades, without a hiccup, but hasn't because CEO/investor wage increase is far more important for some reason.
     
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  21. taosjohn

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    But you have to pay the talent, or it will be hired away by Japan or Korea or Dubai; do you not know this? The peons we can always replace with people from some shithole country like Norway; someplace where they are eager to escape socialism.

    Someplace white, though. And they better come in the right way...
     
  22. Kazuma

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    I mentioned on here about the exec in the meeting. He bragged about share prices doing well in a room full of soon to be laid off people.

    Out of curiosity, I looked up the exec, I found a Twitter profile of him aside his LinkedIn. His bio said he was a Christian. I laughed, and wondered if he knew about Jesus and the cleansing of the temples. Or the concept of Mammon. Or the Seven Deadly Sins. Probably not. They never do.
     
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  23. JohnR

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    Exhibit #112: Presidents don't affect the economy. Believing they do opens the door for frauds like Trump.
     
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  24. Robert Borden

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  25. dapip

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    I kind of disagree with the info....

    ATT offers 300 Mbps at $40-50 in my area, and I don't think is so different in other states.
     

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