Livingston FC, I presume? Sebastian Soto ventures into the Scottish Premiership (olf Norwich City)

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  1. GalaxyBowl

    GalaxyBowl New Member

    LA Galaxy
    Guatemala
    Aug 21, 2020
    Damn this guy was so hyped a few months ago and now it seems like he’s going to be a bust
     
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  2. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    Few years ago maybe?
     
  3. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    United States
    He' still young. I'd a wait a year or two, to see how he does.
     
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  4. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    You may be, but we certainly aren't. :sneaky:
     
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  5. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Came off the bench late for B today:



     
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  6. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    So what is Soto up to nowadays?
     
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  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Benched two games ago, not in squad yesterday, fwiw.
     
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  8. GalaxyBowl

    GalaxyBowl New Member

    LA Galaxy
    Guatemala
    Aug 21, 2020
    i knew he probably aimed too high getting loaned to Porto but I assumed he would be a consistent starter for their reserve team in the second division
     
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  9. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Why?

    I’m being serious.

    Soto is the epitome of hanging on to a youth performance, U20 WC, for way to long. Other than knocking in a few goals in the Dutch 2nd division he has never impressed again. Poor career decisions aside.
     
  10. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    "Never impressed anyone" is, of course, a bit OTT as they guy has been signed up by a few decent teams. He obviously shows something in spurts, but also has some kind of serious consistency or work ethic issues or some kind of self-defeating issues.
     
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  11. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Well, I said never impressed again, not anyone.:p I can see why you responded like that however. Outside of the U20 I haven’t seen it with him. Even at Telestar when he scored a bit I just never was to impressed overall. His game seems to be pure poacher/in the box player and you better be poaching a lot if you want to make it like that. Those off the shoulder runs he made in the U20’s never materialized against grown ups.
    Yeah, “self defeating issues” does seem to ring true here.
    Of course, I have watched KDLF at Barca live and believe something is there, but I am cognizant of the fact that it could be nostalgic bias on my part also.
    There are strong arguments to be made that he is limited with regards to the mental side of the game and he doesn’t have the physical burst. I’ll wait another 2 years until he is Soto’s age to remark more conclusively.
    Soto has had enough eyes on him now. Portuguese clubs are also notorious
    for churning and burning through youth players. They took a flier, and may already be done with him the way they work QH. If it ain’t there they move on quick.
     
  12. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    It is interesting as Norwich signed him just over a year ago (it's possible Norwich just have the worst scouts in England, I guess) and he did have a bit of low-level interest in Germany... so it's not like he's a complete dead fish in training/try outs. And he shows bright spots. But there's something off about his inability to consistently impress at the moment.
     
  13. GalaxyBowl

    GalaxyBowl New Member

    LA Galaxy
    Guatemala
    Aug 21, 2020
    Why? Because before he joined Porto he had just recently went on a good scoring run in the Dutch 2nd division had some decent performances with the USMNT. It think it would be safe to assume at the time he could replicate the success he had in the Dutch 2nd division in the Portuguese 2nd division.
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Portugal and Spain are the last two countries you want a young Yank who has not yet established himself going, if we're being honest.
     
  15. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's Chilean? (as well)
     
  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Why?
     
  17. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s always seemed quite stiff with little mobility. I’m not surprised by this outcome.
     
  18. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I get this. It’s just the way my gut feels about him. Not very metric oriented on my part. Just the decisions, and the way he has handled his career leave questions for me.
    Never a fan of the big three burn and churn in Portugal either.
     
  19. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Spain and Portugal have the most radically different style with respect to the reputation of American players. The consequence is that they get very little rope (which they're likely to need, adapting to such a different view of the sport) even if they're good and have room to grow.

    Which may or may not be the case with Soto. After all, he's a product of the American youth system.
     
  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a stellar season:

     
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  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the bench for the B team:

     
  22. Orioles Magic

    Orioles Magic Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 30, 2020
    What's his contract situation? I could be wrong, but seems to me that Soto needs to come to MLS to get his career going.
     
  23. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    On loan to Porto, who have an option to buy him, until June from Norwich where he's contracted until June 2023. Given his lack of impact, - 215 minutes of play in 8 appearances from of 15 games up to today - it's safe to say that Porto won't be exercising that option and he'll be back in East Anglia in July, by which time he'll be turning 22. The situation does not look good at all and, yes, he needs to take up any option to restart his career, but why MLS? There's nothing in his record to suggest that anywhere near that standard.
     
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  24. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's always possible that some MLS club takes a flyer on him with favorable loan-to-buy terms, but I think that you're right. It seems more likely to me that he gets a shot with some 2nd division club in a decent European soccer country (like Netherlands or Belgium).
     
  25. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Wow! I am not familiar with the situation there other than he is not playing. There are 6 non Portuguese on the team. 1 non Portuguese is starting. Hopefully he is getting great, and I. mean great, training reps there. Another youth player with either bad guidance or homesickness.
     

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