Living in the Midst of SARS

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ludahai, May 8, 2003.

  1. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    There are a few threads talking about SARS in this forum, and while some have rediculed the disease, to many living in Asia, it is considered a real threat. I realize that there are not many people on these boards who actually live in SARS affected areas. However, I hope this thread will become a thread where people who do live in these areas can relate to others what life is actually like. If you want to redicule or discuss other aspects of the disease, please do it in the other threads that have been started for that purpose.
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    Living in Taichung, Taiwan, it really hasn't been considered much of a threat as most of the outbreak has been concentrated in Taibei, the largest city on the island and the 'provisional' ROC capital. However, the growing number of 'isolated' cases here in Taiwan's third largest city is causing concern.

    When I go to work, my temperature it taken. All schools in Taichung are REQUIRED to take everyone's temperature and if it is too high, they will not be allowed to enter the classrooms. We also have to have our students fill our a list of who attends each class. If one of the students comes down with SARS, we will all be quarantined. A growing concern is at a local senior middle school where a couple of students have come down with the virus. It is hoped that the students at that school will obey the quarantine, but based on the actions of a student at the Jian Guo Senior Middle School in Taibei, many people (myself included) are rather sceptical.

    I went to a local hypermarket today. As I was driving my car into the parking lot, they wanted to take my temperature. As I entered the store, they sprayed an antiseptic spray on my hands. Far more people were wearing masks in there today than the last time I went only five days ago. There is obviously growing concern here in Taichung.

    When I was driving home, I realized that life just isn't as enjoyable as it was a couple of months ago when we were not worrying about SARS. Of course, with a baby on the way, my wife and I have been as careful as we can not to contract the virus, but I really hope that our child will not grow up in a Taiwan that is constantly worrying about this virus.
     
  2. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting post, Ludahai. Thanks for the look at what life is like there.

    Your comment about the behavior of the senior hs student made me wonder: are there any alternative explanations of SARS (what it is, why it spreads, etc.) out there that are competing with the government version, and maybe as a consequence interfering with attempts to control the outbreak? (Sorry, I know this is a geek question but my work has something to do with this kind of thing, so I'm interested.)

    I wish you and yours the best. In a perfect world, anybody with a baby coming should be left alone to enjoy it and I hope that's what happens for your family.
     
  3. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Thanks for the kind words bundagiri. Things are actually getting worse here in Taichung as it seems an outbreak here is more and more likely, and unsuprisingly it is a university that is the center of the problem here in Taichung.

    Feng Chia University has had three SARS cases and hundreds are being isolated. There are a large number of students at that school from Taibei and I suppose it was inevitable that one would bring the virus back with them. Hopefully this can be contained, but there is a lot of sceptism here that it will be contained.

    While most people don't wear masks outside (the word has gotten out here that you can't catch it outside except for highly unusual circumstances), more and more people are wearing them in shopping centers and other public places, including taxis and buses. In fact, the national train system REQUIRES all riders to wear masks at all times while on the train. Fortunately, as I travel by car and bicycle, I am not so concerned about public transportation. However, since I teach, I am concerned that some of my students may be exposed to the virus at school (I do have some students from Feng Chia University).

    Most people here are scared that they might get SARS. It is something that people here are living with every day and it seems that with every pasisng day, SARS becomes more and more of a threat in our city.

    As for the cause, there is nothing other than the official transmission routes except for a theory in Hong Kong that human fecal matter helped its spread. However, since much of Taiwan has at least basic sewerage, I would be suprised if that becomes a major transmission agent here in Taiwan. The problem is that people here don't want to be quarentined. A whole neighborhood in Taibei was placed under quarantine over the weekend, and as of yesterday afternoon, more than 100 people were still missing (AWOL so to speak).

    Many of my friends here share my frustration with the selfishness of many of these people. This virus is on the verge of infecting the entire island, and there is no way the health care system (though one of the best in Asia) will be able to cope with an island-wide epidemic. It is all Taibei can do to keep its health care system working, and it has the most health care options on the island.
     
  4. Fah Que

    Fah Que Member

    Sep 29, 2000
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    This is what happens when biological weapon leaks into the public.
     
  5. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Fah Que, please take comments like that to other threads on SARS. You obviously didn't read the first post I made.

    Things are getting worse here in Taiwan. There have been 14 deaths in the past two days on the island, causing Taiwan to jump past Canada and Singapore from 5th to 3rd in terms of death toll.

    People are being more and more careful. I noticed attendence in classes down slightly the past couple of days here in Taichung as people are more and more concerned that we are possibly on the verge of an outbreak in Taiwan's third largest city. Many people are on edge.

    When you turn on Taiwan's 24H news channels (yes, Taiwan has them too), it is all SARS, all the time. It is rather depressing. The government has been critical of some of the coverage as it seems to be getting the public morale down. From what I can see, on that point the government may be right. Public morale (from what I can see) seems to be depressingly low. Many people seem to be trying to keep a stiff upper lip about it, but the plan fact is that it is affecting people. Ridership on public transport is clearly down and the restaurants near my apartment don't seem to be as full as usual.

    Like everyone else in Taichung, I hope that it doesn't become a major problem here. I have stocked up on surgical masks however, which was a good thing because they are now in short supply.
     
  6. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Thanks for the info Ludahai.Stay safe.

    Anyone who is ignoring or making fun of this does so at their peril.
     
  7. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know if this is stressed in your news, but on wearing masks and hygiene....

    Remember that personal hygiene, specifically good and frequent handwashing is your best defense against picking up a virus. And all masks are not created equally.

    Read this link regarding the use of masks and keep in mind one of the most important things...don't fidget with the mask when it's on and when you do need to adjust it, wash your hands first and then after.

    When washing your hands in public (this totally applies to every single person everywhere, not just SARS affected areas):
    1. Find the towel you will use to dry your hands FIRST. It is better to use a paper towel because germs can live in damp cloth towels. If you have to touch a container or knob to get the towel out, do it BEFORE you wash your hands. Hold the towel under your arm until you need it.
    2. Wet your hands with warm water. Don't use hot water...it can lead to dry, cracked skin.
    3. Soap your hands. It's better to use liquid soap because germs can live on wet bars of soap. It's okay to use bar soap if a rack is used to DRY IT between uses.
    4. Rub your hands together for 10-15 seconds, longer if needed. Make sure you wash all areas of your hands including in between your fingers, the back of your hands, your thumbs, and under your fingernails.
    5. Rinse your hand thoroughly with warm water (the water should remain running throughout the process). Rinse between fingers and under rings. Be sure to get all of the soap off.
    6. Pat your hands dry. Don't rub vigorously, this cause damage to your skin. Dry between fingers and under rings thoroughly. If there is a blow dryer, push the button with your elbow.
    7. USE THE TOWEL TO TURN OFF THE WATER. If you touch the water faucet after you wash your hands, you can easily contaminate your clean fingers.
    http://www.apic.org/pdf/jjbroch3.pdf

    This may seem kind of like overkill, but it's really not. It's been proven over and over again that good handwashing prevents all kinds of disease. Take care of your hands. Use lotions to keep your skin supple. Dry cracked skin can serve as an entry for infection. Keep your hands away from your face and cover cuts and scrapes with bandaids.

    Encourage people to cover their mouths and noses with a tissue or handkerchief when coughing or sneezing. I don't mean to generalize and set me straight if I'm wrong, but in my experience, I have observed that many of Asain decent (and it's not just Asians) do not do this on a regular basis. Especially the elderly.

    About a month or so ago a nurse I work with visited her family in China. When she returned, of course we all questioned her about what it was like over there. Unbelievably enough, she had no idea what we were talking about! It was startling.

    Of course things have changed since then and at our hospital, we have had to "lock up" our most effective masks (N95) because they were disappearing. I know of one nurse who sent a box to her family in Tiawan before the lockdown occurred.

    As a healthcare worker, I can't imagine what's going on over there. It's daunting enough that each time I go to work, there are signs at every entrance of the hospital outlining the symptoms and what one should do in a suspected case of SARS. Our hospital has not had any SARS admissions, but if we did, my unit would be one of two possible units to care for these patients.

    Starting yesterday and for the next two weeks, our hospital's infection control is putting on a brown-bag lunch series. Every half hour between 11:30 am and 1:30 pm, there is a informational lecture on SARS.

    I appreciate the personal experiences in this thread and the updates on daily life with SARS over there. I hope we whip this thing soon.
     
  8. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Ludahai - after going through 911 in NYC, I definitely learned that you really can't understand what something is like unless you experience it first hand. Life really sucks when you are constantly worried about illness (or other potential dangers). Most people try to be understanding, but I remember someone from California berating me soon after 911 for not calling her back even after I tried to explain that our office had no phone or internet for two weeks.

    I'm optimistic that Taiwan will be able to contain the disease, given the technology and infrastructure that is at its disposal, but it hadn't really dawned on me how this may be a long term problem since Taiwan does so much business with China. What a nightmare, especially since (I believe) the economy has been struggling for a while.

    I have a lot of friends in Taibei (Taipei), and it sounds like they are coping, but when no one is riding buses for fear of SARS, you know that the city is not functioning very well. I hope it dies out soon.

    BTW (to FQ) - I think it has been established conclusively that this is a natural illness.
     
  9. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    The last few days have seen the outbreak grow worse here in Taiwan. On Thursday evening, one of my students told me that a doctor that the whole island had been keeping track of finally succombed to the illness. He was 28, just out of military service and was a few months from getting married. I think at that moment, most of us in that classroom (myself included) felt kind of a sense of doom, like we can't beat this thing. Now, another doctor has died, this time in Gaoxiong. Furthermore, it isn't only affecting Taibei anymore, it is affecting the entire island, and has even spread the Penghu (a chain of islands in the Taiwan Straits formally a part of Taiwan Province and under ROC jurisdiction).

    Several cram schools here in Taichung have closed due to students violating quarantine orders and attending classes regardless. There are even rumors floating around that the entire island could be shut down in the near future. Schools, restaurants, movie theaters, even stores could be shut down according to these rumors. I don't know how likely this is, but it seems to be adding to the sense of gloom felt by an increasing number of people in Taiwan.

    It is hard to go anywhere these days without having your temperature taken. While Mike Chinoy has been reporting from Taibei and talking about the situation there, that seems to be the situation on the entire island, not just in Taiwan's largest city.

    Many people here are wondering if the WHO will give real technical assistance or not. They have sent observers to the island, but have not given any assistance or met with anyone in the government responsible for controlling the outbreak. A recent editorial in a Chinese language daily has asked if the WHO will accept its part of responsibility for the spread of this disease in Taiwan.

    Currently, Taiwan has more cases per capita than the Mainland as well as more deaths, however, the WHO is ignoring us and the Chinese government says that the health of the people in Taiwan is "well in their care." People here laugh at those words from the Beijing authorities. Even people were who once neutral on the independence issue are now leaning against Beijing.

    Many people here are now looking at the WHO, hoping that Taiwan will gain associate membership in the organization so we can get real help. So far, only the CDC in Atlanta has given any substantive help to the authorities here in Taiwan. The results of the next week could determine if Taiwan will get the support we really need as well as determine the future course of Beijing-Taibei relations including public opinion on the island regarding Beijing.
     
  10. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last Wednesday we had a patient from Tiawan. It was a somewhat emergent situation and it really got me wondering.

    I know the hospital I work for and the unit I work on are said to be world renowned for their vascular and heart surgeries. The physician nephew (in Taiwan) of this patient on Wednesday suppossedly sought medical attention for his relative because of the reputation of the surgeons. However, just several months ago the patient had a heart surgery at a hospital in Tiawan. If the surgeons where good enough several months ago why are they not now? That, of course, is a retorical question.

    There is no doubt that this patient needed help. It was a relatively young person who had a problem that would have killed, if left untreated. The thing that is a bit worrisome is that the patient and the patient's entourage (about 20 people) all arrived from the airport and the same day were at the hospital. The relatives waited in the ICU waiting area for hours and hours for the patient to return from the OR along with families of other patients in surgery. Two days after the surgery, they were all still in and out all day long and I'm sure are still there today, hopefully (for the patients sake) not still in the ICU, but definetely in the hospital somewhere recovering.

    So how do we know in this situation who may be a carrier of SARS? Is taking a temperature enough? A fever is the body's defense against an invader and it doesn't occur right away when someone is infected. If a fever is present, that person has already had great potential for spreading a bug. What if someone from this group develops symptoms (a fever) days after arriving? It's too late--the entire hospital has been exposed. Should people have to wait out the incubation period upon arriving from affected areas? Obviously not in the case of this patient and the family. Could the spray from a simple sneeze in the waiting area of my hospital's ICU lay the foundation for the problem to begin to bud here, exposing unsuspecting visitors, patients, and staff to the virus?

    I have to admit that as I suctioned respiratory secretions from the patient's endotracheal tube, these thoughts wandered through my mind, and while I'm well aware of how to do it safely and confident in my training and experience, there's still that feeling.

    Scary sh!t.

    I'm glad the surgery went well. I'm proud to be working where I work. I hate the feeling of suspicion...it's just not like me. Please respect your nurses there in Taiwan. They are the ones spending the time with sick people, more than the physicians. And it's goes without saying that physicians get respect, but nurses deserve and need to be held in the highest regard. They are potentially sacrificing their lives.
     
  11. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    I had lived through the SARS crisis in Hong Kong. I understood your feelings. Things are getting normal for me again. People started to hang out again. I had stopped wearing a mask. Last month, every single person on the street wears a mask. most of my expat friends had sent their families home.

    My ex-girlfriends lived in "that" apartment building when I dated her about 8 years ago. She had moved out, but could move back. I had no way of contacting her.
     
  12. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    EG - I am glad that the situation in Hong Kong has improved. We have, of course, been kept informed of the situation there through the local Chinese language media here in Taiwan as well as the CNN Asia Center which is based in Hong Kong.

    Here in Taiwan, things continue to worsen. Each of the last two days has successively seen record numbers of cases on the island of Taiwan as well as on the offshore islands.

    Nearly everyone is wearing masks at Hypermarkets and other Department Stores. More and more schools are closing, not only in Taibei City and County, but in counties all over the island. It is pretty frightening.

    Hopefully the WHO will send some expert assistance in the near future as Taiwan is not equipped to handle this kind of outbreak on its own. I suppose China could try to quarantine the island through its political clout in the United Nations and leave us to fend for ourselves.
     
  13. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Taiwan's situation only gets worse

    Well, it seems that Taiwan is being treated as a land of lepers. In many Japanese hotels, Taiwanese are not welcome. The WHO rejects Taiwan's application for observer status once again, and yesterday say new highs in both new infections and deaths.

    Twelve dead and 39 new infections in ROC controlled territory yesterday. Both tallys are the highest in the world as SARS is now worse in Taiwan than anywhere else in the world. About 100 doctors and nurses resigned at two hospitals as there are not enough protective materials to go around. It is truly reaching crisis proportions here in Taiwan and the WHO is unwilling to lend the island a hand.

    People here are increasingly upset at Beijing, the WHO, and the government here in Taiwan as the situation gets worse and worse and there seems no prospect for the situation to turn around anytime soon. People here seem generally appreciative of the help that the United States has given (both the CDC and speaking out in favor of Taiwan's observer status.) The European Union was unusually quiet. France spoke out against Taiwan last year, but not this year.

    I don't know what the future has for us here in Taiwan. My wife is Taiwanese and we came back here because her health wasn't good back in the States, but now Beijing's interference has led to a SARS outbreak that threatens to engulf the entire island. When will they be satisfied? When all 23 million people of Taiwan are dead? I am curious as to what the reaction will be this evening from my students as class begins. Many of them have been quite outspoken lately.

    Please pray for us here in Taiwan. We need it.
     
  14. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Situation getting even worse in Taiwan

    The situation is getting even worse here. The way things are going, I will not be surprised if we are over 100 deaths by this time next week.

    The epidemic has been quite different here than in other places. Over 90 percent of infections has been in hospitals. Of course, some of the blame can be handed to the WHO who did not include the island in real-time conferences regarding how to contain infection in hospitals early on. The results of these conferences was not relayed to Taiwan until it was too late.

    Kaohsiung is now the second city to be seriously affected by the virus, with scattered cases popping up over the rest of the island. With the rainy season rapidly approaching for most of the island, there is real fear here that the situation will get FAR worse before it gets better.

    My wife and I went to the hospital on Monday to check on our unborn baby. They have stations at the entrance to all hospitals screening for SARS. We had to stand at an infrared scanner checking our body temperature. My wife was a little warm (not unusual for a pregnant woman) and was even asked if she had been to Hong Kong or been exposed to SARS patients. Apparently this is happening all over the island.

    I am a teacher at an English language school in Taichung. Right now all teachers at such schools are required to wear surgical masks while teaching all over the island (though students do not). There have been no documented cases of cases being spread by teachers and only a handful being spread by students. As I said earlier, they have been largely spead in hospitals.

    Another recent decision regards the sale of fever reducing medicines. It is no longer allowed. There are plently of people who do not have SARS but who have need of fever reducing medicines. The government said that they want such people to go to the hospital. However, under current circumstances, that only strains current medical resources even further as well as expose more people to the potential of contracting SARS.

    The situation is quite bad here. A student of mine said that he went to see The Matrix Reloaded last weekend. Normally, such a film would attract a full house on opening weekend as Taiwanese love to go out to see films. However, he said that there were only twenty people in the cinema. THat is quite telling.

    Also, as I go around the city, there are VERY few people taking the public busses around the city. Most busses I see are nearly empty. I hope things get better here, but it doesn't seem likely.
     
  15. Canadian_Supporter

    Staff Member

    Dec 20, 1999
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    A new cluster of cases has shown up in Toronto over the weekend (about 20 at last count).
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    Let us hope that the SARS spread can be contained soon. I have been postponing my business trips to China, but my heart is with my friends and business associates there, who have had to deal with the risks, the fear, and the tremendous changes in their lives.

    My best wishes to the people in Canada, Taiwan, China, and everywhere were they are having to deal with this crisis. God, let it be over soon!
     
  17. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Interesting that it happened just as the team of experts that contained the bug in Toronto came here to Taiwan to assist the Americans that were already here. Thank the U.S.A. and Canada for helping Taiwan when the Europeans and Chinese would rather throw us to the wolves.

    I wish the best for my friends in Toronto.
     
  18. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    Ludahai, what do you make of the fact that Taiwan rejected China's help to deal with SARS? Do you think Taiwan is wrong, or is it because perhaps China has ulterior motives?

    I thought perhaps this crisis would be a chance to extend an olive branch as they try to work together to help the victims.
     
  19. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    THe only 'help' Beijing offered was the sending of some surgical masks and some "experts". We have had problems with the quality of masks imported from Mainland China and the qualifications of their "experts" is suspect. It is clearly seen as a propoganda ploy. If China was truly interested in helping the people of Taiwan, it would have allowed WHO experts to come in MONTHS ago and would not have blocked Taiwan's entry as an OBSERVER to the organization.
     
  20. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Well, fortunately my fears of a week ago ot Taiwan surpassing 100 deaths has not come to fruition. We are up to 81 deaths. Most people in Taiwan seem to think that those deaths are China's fault. I am not sure if I would go that far, but suffice it to say, anti-Beijing sentiment is rather high here in Taiwan now.

    For each of the last two days, new probable cases has been just above the single digits (11 and 10 respectively). There is a sense that the outbreak is under control in the hospitals (the source of over 90 percent of transmissions on the island). While the government is advising us not to let our guard down, life is beginning to return to normal. A couple of exceptions to this are continued temperature checks and continued mandating of all students and teachers wearing surgical masks during classes at Taichung cram schools.

    We are following matters in Canada closely. Many Taiwanese are thankful for the help both Canada and the United States have given Taiwan during this crisis when the WHO would leave us to our own devises and the tender mercies of Beijing.
     
  21. Mike Lane

    Mike Lane New Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    Atlanta
    Depressing, but inciteful, posts Ludahai. I wish you well. When is your wife due?
     
  22. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    She is due in December. Thanks Mike. I look forward to visiting all of my Beat Brigade friends back in Atlanta sometime next year with the baby. :)
     
  23. Mike Lane

    Mike Lane New Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    Atlanta
    It would be great to see you.
     
  24. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    Well, the current crisis seems to be subsiding (the health crisis anyway). New cases are in the single digits each day (four yesterday) and the death toll has stayed steady for nearly a week. It seems like Asia has the virus well in hand. Life is quickly returning to normal. The number of surgical masks in use is decreasing, although temperature checks are still ubiquitous.

    I feel much more comfortable about the situation than I did a week ago as do most of the people I know here in Taichung. We are still ever watchful and are cautious, because we know that there will not be a vaccine for years and the virus is still out there. We are especially concerned that the virus will become virulent in the Chinese country and given the amount of contact between our island and the Mainland, if there is another outbreak in the Mainland, it will surely threaten us.

    As I said, the medical emergency seems to be well in control for the moment, but there is a political crisis brewing between Taibei and Beijing. Unfortunately, that has the potential to be more deadly than the virus has been thus far. While the virus has killed 81 in Taiwan, a declaration of independence (which was FAR more likely than it was two weeks ago) and subsequent Chinese actions could kill far more.
     
  25. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Jan 11, 2002
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    Some people in Toronto just don't seem to get it.

    A high school was shut down in Toronto and it's nearly 1700 students, along with their staff, were told to quarantine themselves.

    And where were some of those students? Hanging out at the mall.

    Put the WHO advisory back on, at least Toronto will be able to get it's act in order.
     

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