"Live Draft" Using CYKI Anyone?

Discussion in 'Games & Fantasy' started by DoctorJones24, Aug 28, 2002.

  1. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    I'm wondering if anyone is interested in forming a special 10-manager division of CYKI in which each player would only be allowed to be owned by one team at a time.

    Basically, I get tired of the standard "stock market" style of most fantasy soccer games. I mean, where's the fantasy when every manager in your league gets to own Van Nistleroy? Or when every manager totally switches his entire lineup week to week according to matchups? I was initially excited by deadlystrike, but with only 8 man squads and no position requirements, it now seems like more of the same.

    So my proposal is:
    1) 10 managers in a private CYKI group
    2) We hold a live draft, either on one night in the BS Chatroom, or what is called a "semi-live draft" using email.
    3) Once a player is taken, he would be "off limits" for everyone else.
    4) For free agent signings during the season, a manager would have to post his move on the league message board.
    5) Before making a free agent signing, every manager would have to check the board to make sure the player has not already been added.
    6) Trades would be easy, as the two managers could each just make the move themselves.
    7) This system would have the added benefit of CYKI's financial system, which would add a nice twist to our moves. Team stability and long range planning would be key.

    With 10 squads, I think we could each fill our teams mostly with consistent starters. That would be 150 slots, while there are 220 starting positions available on Premiership teams.

    Post here if interested, or if you have any questions or suggestions.

    Also note, CYKI is still in "preseason mode," so it's not like we are starting behind the 8 ball.
     
  2. Darr

    Darr Member

    Apr 6, 2002
    St.Louis, MO
    I'd probably be intereseted...
     
  3. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I would be interested in this also.
     
  4. 1800-WorldCup

    1800-WorldCup Read Nomadic Gatherings - magun.travelnotes.org

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Aug 5, 2001
    Europe
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Great idea..... I'm in..... but I'm on European time so we'll have to get the time differences right :)

    Any weekday night between 5-10pm CET or sometime over the wekend......

    Michel
     
  5. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Ok, that's...

    Me (DrJones24)
    Hal
    Darr
    Michel
    kopteinkc
    Ingromius (probable)

    So four spots open.
    Also, Ingromius is on Euro time now too, so I'm thinking the "semi-live email draft" will be best. We have the time anyway, even if the draft takes a few days, as CYKI's season doesn't start for a little while yet.

    I'll set up a Private League and PM you guys the password.
     
  6. Plundun

    Plundun New Member

    Dec 18, 2000
    Well if the Deadlystrike tourney is in doubt, let me be in on this one as well.
    Regarding your seventh point, how would you utilize the financial side of CYKI? would you still have a salary cap? A cap would seem hard to manage in such a loose league structure.
     
  7. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    I wasn't saying the Deadlystrike division was in doubt...I just don't think it's going to be very engaging, seeing as positions are meaningless.

    As for the finances with CYKI, I don't think there's any way to disenable them, so we will have to deal with the cap. However, since we'll each have at most 2-3 "stars" with their high costs, we should be able to field our teams and stay under. And if is tight for some, then I think that adds a cool twist to the game...perhaps trades becoming necessitated due to fnances a la MLS?

    In any case, we'll definitely want to get the draft complete before the first deadline when salaries will begin to rise.
     
  8. Ingromius

    Ingromius Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    NW London
    Well, Dr Jones knows me well -- and while I'm hard to motivate in terms of practical things like thesis writing, I can surely find the time to take part in a live draft. The Euro time thing might be a hitch, as might the demanding work schedule, but if we can find a common time -- maybe a Friday or Saturday afternoon (US time) -- I'd be all for such a draft. In fact I think it would make for a far, far superior game.

    I've never been in more than one CYKI league at a time; would we simply create new teams for this league?
     
  9. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    With Ingromius confirmed and Plundun, that gives us 7 managers. Three more and we can get underway with the draft. If everyone could PM me with your emails, I'll send out a group one to describe the draft and give the league password.

    Also, I do believe you'll have to set up a new identity with premierleague.com in order to create a second team.
     
  10. Michael J Christy

    Michael J Christy New Member

    Jan 27, 2001
    I would be interested if there are still spots.

    Maverick

    I PM'd you also Dr. Jones
     
  11. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Maverick gets us to 8.
    That would be enough for a decent league, but 10 would be better, I think.

    Anyone know of two more potentials?
     
  12. Captain Splarg

    Apr 25, 1999
    Pacific Grove, CA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    If you arrange for a draft on a Friday or Sat afternoon (US Time) i'll join.
     
  14. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Clanblue and Darr,
    Check your PMs for a message from me.
    I need both of your emails...we're ready to start the draft.
     
  15. Hal

    Hal Member+

    Sep 9, 1999
    I couldn't open the files.

    Microsoft works?

    Have Word and Excel on my machine.
     
  16. 1800-WorldCup

    1800-WorldCup Read Nomadic Gatherings - magun.travelnotes.org

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Aug 5, 2001
    Europe
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think it might be something like.....

    I managed to decipher something along the lines of......


    Default Forward Rankings Your Forward Rankings

    1. Henry 1.
    2. Van Nistleroy 2.
    3. Owen 3.
    4. Hasselbaink 4.
    5. Shearer 5.
    6. Viduka 6.
    7. Solskajer 7.
    8. Gudjohnsen 8.
    9. Bellamy 9.
    10. Vassell 10.
    11. Wiltord 11.
    12. Cole 12.
    13. Marlet 13.
    14. Smith 14.
    15. Sherringham 15.
    16. Anelka 16.
    17. Diouf 17.
    18. Heskey 18.
    19. Kanoute 19.
    20. Phillips 20.
    21. Campbell 21.
    22. Radzinski 22.
    23. Lua Lua 23.
    24. Zola 24.
    25. Maccarone 25.
    26. Huckerby 26.
    27. Ricketts 27.
    28. Ferdinand 28.
    29. John 29.
    30. Roberts 30.

    Goalkeepers

    1. Dudek LIV 1. _____________________
    2. Seaman ARS 2. _____________________
    3. Cudicini CHE 3. _____________________
    4. Schmiechal MCY 4. ___________________
    5. Barthez MUN 5. _____________________
    6. Robinson LEE 6. _____________________
    7. Given NEW 7. _____________________
    8. Friedal BLK 8. _____________________
    9. Van der Sar FUL 9. ____________________
    10. Keller TOT 10. ____________________
    11. Sorensen SUN 11. ____________________
    12. Schwarzer MID 12. ___________________
    13. James WHM 13. ____________________
    14. Hoult WBA 14. ____________________
    15. Kiely CHA 15. ____________________
    16. Jaaskelinen BOL 16. __________________
    17. Vaesen BIR 17. ____________________
    18. Enckleman AST 18. __________________
    19. Wright EVE 19. ____________________
    20. Jones SOT 20. ____________________

    Others: Martyn, Nash, Postma, Carrol, Van der Gouw, De Goey, etc...

    Midfielders

    1. Beckham 1.
    2. Kewell 2.
    3. Giggs 3.
    4. Bowyer 4.
    5. Robert 5.
    6. Solano 6.
    7. Scholes 7.
    8. Dyer 8.
    9. Riise 9.
    10. Murphy 10.
    11. Duff 11.
    12. Viana 12.
    13. Dunn 13.
    14. Djorkaeff 14.
    15. Gerrard 15.
    16. Benarbia 16.
    17. Smicer 17.
    18. Hendrie 18.
    19. Acimovic 19.
    20. Edu 20.
    21. Reyna 21.
    22. Viera 22.
    23. Hamann 23.
    24. Redknapp 24.
    25. Barmby 25.
    26. Lampard 26.
    27. Malbranque 27.
    28 Cole 28.
    29. Davies 29.
    30. Legwinkski 30.
    31. Zenden 31.
    32. Geremi 32.
    33. Okocha 33.
    34. Petit 34.
    35. Veron 35.
    36. Alexandersson 36.
    37. Frandsen 37.
    38. Davis 38.
    39. Tugay 39.
    40. de la Cruz 40.
    41. Foe 41.
    42. Hadji 42.
    43. Anderton 43.
    44. Pires 44.
    45. Blondel 45.
    46. Jensen 46.
    47. Gravesen 47.
    48. Ljunberg 48.
    49. Greening 49.
    50. Jenas 50.

    Note: You are advised to hunt for better financial deals in midfield, as most of these cost over 5.5.

    Defenders:

    1. Harte 1.
    2. Ziege 2.
    3. Cole 3.
    4. Lauren 4.
    5. Matteo 5.
    6. Hyypia 6.
    7. Silvestre 7.
    8. Mills 8.
    9. Traore 9.
    10. Delaney 10.
    11. Gallas 11.
    12. Hughes 12.
    13. Keown 13.
    14. Xavier 14.
    15. Southgate 15.
    16. Mellberg 16.
    17. Ferdinand 17.
    18. Taricco 18.
    19. Richards 19.
    20. Henchoz 20.
    21. Dabizas 21.
    22. Bramble 22.
    23. Eghiou 23.
    24. Staunton 24.
    25. Bridge 25.
    26. Campbell 26.
    27. Le Saux 27.
    28. Blanc 28.
    29. Desailly 29.
    30. G. Neville 30.
    31. P. Neville 31.
    32. Babayaro 32.
    33. Woodgate 33.
    34. Carr 34.
    35. Rufus 35.
    36. Gray 36.
    37. Babb 37.
    38. Unsworth 38.
    39. Bjorkland 39.
    40. Stockdale 40.
    41. Neill 41.
    42. Taylor 42.
    43. Short 43.
    44. Wright 44.
    45. Fortune 45.
    46. Barry 46.
    47. Moore 47.
    48. Johansson 48.
    49. Distin 49.
    50. Gardner 50.

    Draft Sheet Instructions

    Team ForFor woard sSlot Mid Slot Def Slt otlot GK Slot

    DABCC

    D
    E
    F
    G
    H
    I
    J

    1 1011 6 1 10 6 5firtrst rounds draft rounds for each position will go as wfollows. Subsequnent rounsd willnds will reverse teh oe he orfder:


    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :)
     
  17. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    How did the lists look when I copied them right into the body of the emails? Let me know if any of you need me to switch them to Word files and resend.
     
  18. Hal

    Hal Member+

    Sep 9, 1999
    Alternate Draft Proposals

    Jay,

    Did you get my email suggesting two independent, alternate draft proposals?

    1. Establish a certain sequence, as to which positions would be drafted by which round. I proposed one that would get 10-12 players without worrying about the salary cap.

    2. My preferred alternative: Let each manager, along with their wish lists by position, provide a sequence of which positions they want drafted in each round. Thus, one manager might opt to draft a midfielder with round 1 pick or a goalkeeper to get his first choice. Each manager would submit a sequence to pick 2 GK, 5 D, 5 M, 3 S in the sequence they wanted. The draft would then go 1-10 in round 1 and reversed each round thereafter.

    If I knew my draft position in advance, I would devise a sequence to optimize my chances to get certain key players I want.

    If I had 1,20,21,40,41,60, I would probably go 1 - F (Henry), 20 - G (best still available) 21 - F/M

    I also do not like not being able to adjust my sequence or selection based on the knowledge of whom I've already drafted and who is still available. In the example above, if I knew which F were left, I expect I would rather have my highest M available on my list as opposed to a 2nd rate F pick.

    Without it being a live draft, I don't know how to solve that. Post on the PremierSoccer message board for our division the results after each round's picks and wait 1 hour before starting the next round so managers can send in a revised sequence and priority list by position. If a manager doesn't update his sequence or position priority lists, then you used the last submitted for the next round. Complete that round, post results, wait an hour, and so on.




    Hal
     
  19. 1800-WorldCup

    1800-WorldCup Read Nomadic Gatherings - magun.travelnotes.org

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Aug 5, 2001
    Europe
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm with Hal in that we need to know what's happening to the picks as we go -- who's still available and what buying power we have to pick them up with, or our budget may not even meet the requirements.

    This really does need to be done live when everyone is logged into (CYKI) and Big Soccer so that they can keep an eye on players available vs budget left.....

    Michel
     
  20. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Hal and Michel, I agree that a live draft would be much better, and I had originally planned on one. But I'm gone on a boat from Thursday afternoon to Monday, and another guy is travelling for a wedding. We also have people on different continents. Add this to the fact that I've never participated in an online draft in which all managers showed up, and it just seemed like there was no way it would work.

    So this was the backup plan, trying to salvage the idea of a "true" fantasy universe for CYKI.

    However, I think you both correctly point out that this will require some modifications to take into account the financial contraints. I'm going to brainstorm tonight for some creative ways to account for that issue (have already spoken to Hal about it), and I"ll let you all know ASAP.
     
  21. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    BUMP to show how far we've come!

    Not going make any of the founders feel any younger though. Jeez, the days of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink...
     
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  22. 1800-WorldCup

    1800-WorldCup Read Nomadic Gatherings - magun.travelnotes.org

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Aug 5, 2001
    Europe
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That was a long boat trip. :D
     
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  23. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Forward - No.18 = Legend! :thumbsup:
     
  24. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Splarg -- I remember him ...
     

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