List of Differences Between NFHS & IFAB Soccer

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Kit, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    I am struggling to understand why this is even possibly a YC. Based on the way you describe it, no play on the ball, intentional, and violent, possibly injury causing. No different than if he had stuck out an arm and clotheslined the guy.

    I had something similar a couple of seasons ago. White had ball stripped from him, chases Blue all the way up the field. Blue makes a cross and White continues his run and same thing - lowers shoulder and took him out. I had him on RC before the kid hit the ground.

    This play was called out in our group meeting as being a situation where the ref (I was not mentioned) was brave enough to give the proper RC. Apparently, it is rare in our association.
     
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  2. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “But the paperwork...” ;)
     
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  3. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Struggling to retain my composure amid a chorus of "C'mon, that was shoulder to shoulder!" I showed White the red card for Violent Conduct and ejected him from the match."
     
  4. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The endless excuses and mental gymnastics referees can come up with to not give a red card is honestly impressive. So much so that I ask myself how they can be so creative in that regard but can’t remember that reckless means yellow card when you put it in writing .
     
  5. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    Did a MS (school) game last week.

    Older asst coach for home said he got dragged back into coaching after 10+ yrs away.

    Home player takes a throw-in, AR signals ball didn't enter FOP. I whistle and point for a visitors throw from the same spot.

    "No, no, no. It never came in, so it's a re-throw for us!"

    Sorry, coach. MS here is played under NFHS rules. If it was Rec or Club under FIFA rules (easier for them than "IFAB Laws"), then yes it would be a re-throw. But not under NFHS.

    After the game he still wasn't buying it... Coach, I'm not sure when it was implemented in the NFHS rule, but I'd be happy to show you Rule 15 that states it.

    "No, that's okay. I'd just never heard of that."

    Well, he did say he'd been out of school coaching for well over a decade ;).
     
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  6. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    And possibly just out of it for longer than that!
     
  7. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been a NFHS referee since 1999, and that's been the rule at least since then so 23+ years that's been in NFHS rule book.
     
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  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I thought it was the rule back when I played in the 80's, but I'm not 100% positive
     
  9. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    He was a gentleman about it, but I suspect his being away from NFHS games for so long allowed that particular item to slip his mind.
     
  10. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure if this goes here, but it does have to do with differences between NFHS and IFAB soccer.

    I do not expect coaches to be experts on the rules/laws of the game. I don’t even expect them to know all the differences between the various versions we play in the United States. But they should be at least familiar with the basics. At my high school varsity game last night, I wondered if the home coach had even seen a high school game before. I know that he has because it’s not his first year, but here are some things that he didn’t know.

    In the last ten seconds of the first half, his team is carelessly fouled about 15 yards outside the penalty area. As his team is retrieving the ball, the ball clock sounds ending the half. Both my dual partner and I blow our whistles to signal half-time as well. The coach starts complaining that “you can’t end the half on a foul” and we should put additional time on the clock to let them take the free kick. We both inform him that a careless foul is not one of the reasons to stop the clock under NFHS rules. He goes away grumbling something like “I’ve never heard that one.”

    In the second half, he sends a player to the officials area to make a substitution. On the next stoppage which was an IFK for an offside call, he yells, “I got a sub.” Since I am the official on that side, I say, “It’s not out of bounds. You can’t sub yet.” Shortly afterwards, his opponents have a corner kick. Again, he yells, “Sub.” I look over and only his player is there, not an opponent player. I say, “They’re not there. You can’t sub yet.” He mutters something about “Yes, there’s a player there.” Maybe I should have said something about subbing on possession during a corner kick, but I needed to get down the field for the play.

    As I said, I don’t expect coaches to know all the rules, but timing rules and substitution rules are pretty basic. I don’t know why a veteran coach wouldn’t know them.
     
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  11. Barciur

    Barciur Member

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I have a technical question. I know that there is definitely a difference in how handling is written in IFAB and NFHS.

    There are some small language differences in how NFHS has written offside and IFAB has law 11.

    Is there any practical difference in what may be interfering with an opponent or gaining an advantage or any other important difference in how we call offside at NFHS and with IFAB (or NISOA for that matter)?
     
  12. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can’t speak to NISOA but NFHS has basically tried to mirror IFAB with regard to offside.

    Handling, from what I understand has been held in a holding patter by NFHS until IFAB can figure out what they want to do. No sense playing catch up for 5 years trying to make them align.
     
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  13. RefGil

    RefGil Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Post the differences here. There are ways to get that info to the NFHS soccer rules committee. Maybe it's an "edit for clarification", which they do fairly often.

    There is at least one former member of that committee on this board, and several current members that are known by people on this board.

    As a practical matter, I've been calling HB/OS the same in High School and USSF games/matches. I have yet to be struck by lightning.
     
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  14. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Now you've done it. Not only will we have continued rain, it's going to be a lightning storm as well. I don't have enough fields left to reschedule all my cancelled rec games.
     
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  15. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I know NFHS is usually behind IFAB because of the timing of rule changes, but does anyone know if the stopping of a promising attack/ advantage/ promising attack occurs/ no longer going back for the yellow applies in NFHS. I had my best referee on the Conference Tournament final the other night, and the exact scenario happened where the white player held blue about 30 yards out, ball got thru, attacker kept going, passed and a shot hit the post. No yellow was issued. Is that technically correct in NFHS?
     
  16. ilyazhito

    ilyazhito Member

    Manchester United
    Spain
    Feb 9, 2021
    I actually count 6 seconds. Not visibly, but around 4 seconds, I tell the keeper "Come on" or "let go". Saying that takes about 2 seconds, so if he complies, I have no problem. If he doesn't, and the ball is still in his hands, I call it.

    I think that mandatory clock stoppages are stupid, considering that some places who use NFHS rules don't bother with stopping the clock at all, or having the clock reset if there is a mistake. Granted, in some private school games, the clock is stopped in the final 1 or 2 minutes, so that allows officials to keep time on the field, but I would rather have the officials have control over the time, and some ability to inform fans about the remaining time (radio, number board, using the PA system, etc.).
     
  17. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    please stop counting to six. I beg you.
     
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  18. ilyazhito

    ilyazhito Member

    Manchester United
    Spain
    Feb 9, 2021
    If six seconds is a dead-letter rule that is seldom enforced, why do IFAB (and NFHS soccer) retain it in the rulebook? AFAIK, rules are made to be enforced, therefore, I will enforce six seconds. I make the call after ensuring that the ball is released after I count to 6. If the goalkeeper has released, or is releasing the ball immediately after I count to 6 (based on glancing at either the game clock or my watch when the goalkeeper acquires the ball), I let play continue. Luckily for me, I have not had to call six seconds too often, as the goalkeeper will release the ball after I make the reminder. I have only had to do it once in a high school game in 2 full seasons (spring and fall), and either once or twice in a full spring and fall USSF season.
     
  19. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    Was the IFAB change in 2020/21 (no YC for SPA if advantage materialized) more for clarification and consistency in application, or was the YC for SPA always supposed to be shown after advantage was applied? TBH, I always thought advantage implied SPA forgiveness, both in HS and USSF, assuming it wasn't also reckless or some other UB beyond just SPA. That's what my HS instructor said several years ago. IOW, advantage = promising attack restored, so no YC.

    I'm assuming in your example it was just a routine hold that was also SPA and not some bad/blatant jersey pull, reckless challenge, or other UB. In our girls HS state semi-final last year (i was just a spectator), CR signaled advantage then at the next stoppage a few mins later, he went back and YC'd a defender for blatant jersey grab & pull during the prior attack. I chatted with him afterwards, he said advantage cancelled the SPA aspect but not the UB jersey pull, so he delayed YC like how it's done on a reckless challenge followed by advantage.
     
  20. ilyazhito

    ilyazhito Member

    Manchester United
    Spain
    Feb 9, 2021
    That is interesting, because technically SPA is a category of UB, at least in NFHS play. If SPA is the only UB category, then I could see why advantage would restore the promising attack, but if SPA happened plus a different UB-type offense, then I would also understand why the CR in your example gave the yellow card.
     
  21. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    i have been reffing for 18 years. I have never called it, and never will.
     
  22. USSF REF

    USSF REF Member

    Red Bull NY
    United States
    Nov 6, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never say never.
     
  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I’ve never called it either. Perhaps I will someday, but only if I have a dense keeper who forces me to.
    You’re right. FIFA must want it enforced. That is why it is so tightly called in international games, and GKs never pass 6 seconds. :rolleyes:
     
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  24. Spencedawgmillionaire

    Mar 2, 2017
    Belleville, ILLLLLLLLINOIZE
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    All I've ever done is say "Let's go, Keep!" Usually solves it.

    I imagine the only time I'd possibly ever call that is close, big match and keeper really hamming it up and refusing to release the ball.
     
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  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My next step up above "let's go keep" is at a goal kick/corner is to yell that the free kick you're going to give up to burn three seconds isn't worth it. Never had to go past that.
     
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