Lionel Messi to MLS?.. The Saga Starts Part 1 [R]

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  1. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
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    As I alway told my daughter. " you can't control what the ref's or other players do.....the ONLY thing you have control over is how YOU respond"
     
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  2. TyffaneeSue

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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    As I recall the enactment of passback, it was to prevent the keeper and a player from extended rounds of keepaway and increase the speed of the match. The law specifies that it has to be "deliberate." In regular play, you rarely if ever see deliberate passbacks (I'm not sure I've seen it called it all?) A loose ball that ends up with the keeper usually doesn't meet the deliberate requirement, even if a teammate last touched it.
     
  3. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    #2703 falvo, May 19, 2025
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    I always liked the Strikers logo....

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  4. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Oof, Strikers or Stinkers?
     
  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    Italy
    I liked Palermo's or Juve's Pink jersey's...


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    But I just can't get into Inter Miami's Pretty In Pink.....


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  6. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
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  7. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
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    The Heron pink is better than their aqua and orange alternate kit. #squishthefish
     
  8. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Not too into the pink but I was diggin' Orlando's purple last night. Always like Pareja as a coach also.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    I liked Orlando City’s, Luis Muriel and he scored a beauty against Miami last night.

    From 2019–2024, I followed him closely with Atalanta and score quite many goals with them.

    Too bad he is 34 now because I would have like to see him for at least 6-7 MLS seasons.
     
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  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #2710 JazzyJ, May 19, 2025
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    He reminds me of (Brazil's) Ronaldo a little bit in the way he looks - his face a little and the way they carry maybe a little more weight than the average player, and a bit in how he plays.

    Orlando may have to become my "third team". It's Quakes all the way, but if I had to pick a 2nd team - Columbus, and then maybe Orlando. Then maybe Montreal because - similar colors to Quakes, and they are just so sad - it's my mercy pick.
     
  11. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the podcasts I listen to said that Vancouver’s scouting report was that Miami players argue with the ref a lot. So, they did quick kicks and quick restarts. This was also how ORL scored on Saturday when Messi & Co argued about passback to the GK.
     
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  12. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like they always used to teach us, you cannot judge intent. So whether or not the player meant to do a passback, usually every GK beyond the age of 14 or so knows not to pick up a ball that came off a teammate’s foot. I was surprised Guido let it go.
     
  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    LOTG requires you to judge intent. You can’t determine if the defender “deliberately” kicked it to the GK without judging intent. It’s not what we think the rule should be, it’s what it is. And “well a 14-year old GK should know” is not a factor in LOTG either.

    An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
    • controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
    • touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
    • touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
      • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
     
  14. TyffaneeSue

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    No doubt that a deliberate passback would be called. (Player looks at keeper, sends ball that way.) In this case, as the analysis noted, the defender seemed to be moving the ball to a teammate to try to get it sent out of the goal area. The teammate saw the keeper coming in, and let him collect the ball. Hard to say that the defender deliberately passed the ball to the keeper.

    In general, professional players know that rule well and you don't see deliberate passbacks.
     
  15. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    The argument they made on the broadcast, and they seemed to be fairly confident about it, is that it wasn’t clear if he was passing to the non-GK teammate or not but in any case that teammate let it go the the keeper. I’d have to watch it again to see if there’s any credibility to that. Messi’s claim that the ref didn’t know the rule is highly dubious.
     
  16. TyffaneeSue

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    Messi coming in hot with the gratuitous insults. Shock. Of all the many rule changes over the years, that one stuck with me because it was such a big deal at the time. And that was before my ref days.
     
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  17. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I’m sure the language barrier gets in the way of many of his “discussions” with the refs. Whatever the ref told him he chose to interpret it as “I don’t know the rule”.
     
  18. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want to make one comment on Jim Madison’s opinion of Joe’s behavior. Joe has a very loud, clear voice. The way he said “walk away” to Messi was exactly the way he teaches us to say it in SJRA meetings. He is not shouting.

    And at that point in the post-game, where Messi had already been badgering Joe since failing to get the call he wanted, it would have been unprofessional to suddenly say, oh Leo what’s the problem, can we talk?

    Joe did what Joe always does, he just didn’t treat Messi as anyone Special. Is that wrong in the eyes of MLS? The clue will be what assignments he gets next.

    I personally feel Joe is the best ref in mls. But in the half that I could see on my phone, I wasn’t sure if that was his finest game.
     
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  19. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
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    My understanding is that he did give Messi special treatment. The yellow likely would have come out earlier but Messi said something which couldn't be ignored. We may have seen red with someone else. (assuming an earlier red didn't deter the rest of the interaction.)
     
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  20. TyffaneeSue

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    Of course, as a Quakes fan I'm slightly biased, but I felt like Messi got the VIP treatment. Near the end of the game, that seemed to lessen and he got the same consideration any player would get after repeatedly falling in the box, ie none.
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Feb 13, 2010
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  22. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    Which is the way it should be!

    Of course everyone admires Messi for his accolades and accomplishments bla bla bla but we all must always root for the home team and against the visitors.

    That has been going on since sports were invented.
     
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  23. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
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    I'm shocked, said no one ever...
     
  24. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003

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