Lionel Messi news and Comments

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I am not a doctor by any mean, no matter how much I read wikipedia I will never be one. My point is, you should not make assumptions when you have little to no factual information. Everybody is an expert nowadays, but every case is different, it could be GHD, or it could be completely unrelated. I would much rather consider the opinion of the doctors who supervise Messi on a regular basis than speculation on some message board.

 

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eh? I'm pretty sure Messi won't grow much more.

 

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He never did say he was going to grow more, he stated his muscles are still developing, something different again, no?

 

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How are you still developing your muscles at 20 years old? If he hasn't done it by now...

 

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Pro athletes are weak at 20 compared to 27.

 

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Agree. You'd think Messi would hit the gym a bit more than, knowing that he's weaker (or sure seems like it) than the average 20 yr old

Let's hope that these things will go away when he's in his mid 20's.

 

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Messi will always be slight and more injury prone because of his GHD.

 

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at least all this gives el kun a chance next to tevez which i think will be an interesting match up

 

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Muscle development can and does continue well into your fifties if you work out and eat right , what does slow down is the ability to repair quickly and the ability to actually lenghten the muscle.

 

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I am talking about muscle maturity, it is not rocket science really.

Again, there has been no proof of a link between Messi's injuries and GHD. It is a possibility not a fact, do we blame every injury he might get on GHD ?

I put more blame on Barca's staff and management. Look at how many injuries they had in the past ( not just with messi), that is more than just bad luck.

 

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NO.

What I stated above is a fact. Messi has GHD. The result of that is his slight frame and susceptibility to injury. Whether you personally like that or not there is no getting away from the reality of the situation. Just accept it and move on. To attempt to claim that GHD is somehow not involved is just being ignorant. GHD will play a part in every injury the kid gets. Sad but true.

 

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Let me get this straight, you say GHD use results in slight frame and susceptibility to injury. Do you have references for such a strong claim? Causality is a very delicate concept in biomedicine that people often misinterpret.

 

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GHD stands for growth hormone deficiency. It is this that stunted his growth. The various treatments can help to a degree but Messi will still suffer from a variety of problems. The impact this has on normal life is usually negligible but Messi is not normal, he is a professional athlete and it is a far from good combination. If people are already having trouble understanding what GHD is and the various problems it causes (even with treatment) then there is little point in me linking to any article or study or note. If you (plural) cannot understand the basics then the chances of you understanding anything else is minimal.

 

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Teso take a pill would you?? Like I stated before I have had a freind for over ten years who has a severe form of GHD, so much so that he still looks like an eleven year old even though he is 36!! So Im not ignorant and neither are Im sure a few others on this lovely board, so please stop being such a condesending self righteous person and deal with the fact that YOU MAY just NOT have all the FACTS right yourself. In fact the last point you made begs the question so much it is most laughable, I mean it is like saying that if I was born short and had a super high metabolism I am therefore small and would get injured more. Seriously man, you are not Messi's doctors, neither am I so lets leave this one alone and move on.

 

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More shite I see.

 

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A very mature response Teso, true colors shining once again.

 

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Not very persuasive. Repeating yourself over and over won't convince anyone. We all know that Messi has GHD but thank you for reminding us captain obvious. That is a very bold statement, at least try to support your argument with some...um evidence ?

 

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As I said previously, there is little point if you are already having difficulty understanding the basics. Let's put this GHD issue to one side because unless you chose to educate yourself we are just going to be going around in circles.

 

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Please, no one is stopping you.

Or you don't really have those articles and are just pulling it out of your ass?

 

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Unless you are a doctor (you sure act like one ), I don't think you are any more knowledgable on the subject than me. Information is just a click away, show us your sources and I would be more than willing to "educate myself".

Here I will pull some quotes from wikipedia about GHD:

Treatment of GH deficiency in childhood

When treated with GH, a severely deficient child will begin to grow faster within months. In the first year of treatment, the rate of growth may increase from half as fast as other children are growing to twice as fast (e.g., from 1 inch a year to 4 inches, or 2.5 cm to 10). Growth typically slows in subsequent years, but usually remains above normal so that over several years a child who had fallen far behind in his height may grow into the normal height range. Parents often notice increased strength, appetite, and energy. Increased muscle strength may allow young children to overcome delays of motor development. Excess adipose tissue may be reduced.

There are almost no significant side effects of this type of physiologic replacement. Rare risks and unsettled issues are discussed in the article on GH treatment, but GH deficient children receiving replacement doses are at the lowest risk for problems and receive the greatest benefit.

Nevertheless, costs of treatment in terms of money, effort, and perhaps quality of life, are substantial. Treatment usually involves daily injections of growth hormone for children. Most pediatric endocrinologists monitor growth and adjust dose every 3-4 months and many of these visits involve blood tests. Treatment is usually extended as long as the child is growing, and lifelong continuation may be recommended for those most severely deficient. Nearly painless insulin syringes and pen injectors reduce the discomfort. Most children and families are enthusiastic once the benefits begin to be seen. Treatment is expensive - as much as $US 10,000 to 30,000 a year is common.



As you know, Messi was treated as a kid and is no longer suffering from GHD. This clearly states that there are no major side effects, however this is for the average person as you pointed out not for a world class athlete. From my understanding the problem for Messi is that the usage of HGH and steroids adds undue stress on his body. His bones just aren't big enough to support the increase in mass, if you look at his legs, you would see that they are pretty big ( he is definetly not "slight", he has very strong lower body). Still, this is a very treatable problem with proper management (Exercise, massage, Physical therapy...).



Here is the other article from wikipedia about the risks associated with treatment:

Risks of GH treatment

Known risks of GH are few and rare. Few reasonable parents or physicians would incur a high risk of harm to a child to add a few inches to height. Most of the complications have been reported in children over 10 years of age or in adults. Though rare, the following harmful side effects have been reported during GH treatment often enough to be assumed noncoincidental.

Slipped capital femoral epiphysis (SCFE) causes hip pain due to separation of the head of the femur from the shaft. Incidence in GH-treated children may be about 1 in 1000. SCFE usually requires casting or surgical pinning to reverse.


I think we can safely discard this improbable risk. I don't see how every injury that Messi suffered could be blamed on GHD ( or rather the treatment he recieved). Hopefully you will enlighten us on that now.

 

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I see you used the peoples' encyclopedia... I'll ignore your initial quip because we are here to discuss Messi and not to attack each other. Plus the numerous endocrinology books, papers and lectures in my office highlight what I know about the subject matter. Would you like me to provide a photograph? What you have apparently failed to comprehend is that most of what you bolded above was in reference to an improvement from someone with untreated GHD. Obviously you can improve the situation but the improvement is not enough to bridge the gap to that of a person with no GH problems. GHD treatment is primarily done to enable a person to reach their anticipated height. That is it. Now height is something that you can rectify in the majority of cases but in the case of bones and muscle you will never fully solve the problem. For 99.9% of people that doesn't matter but Messi is in the remaining 0.1% because he is a professional athlete. It is a key distinction to make because Messi is putting his body under undue stress. You cannot simply put his condition to one side when discussing injuries because the two are intrinsically linked. By that I mean both in terms of terms of susceptibility to injury and the impact these injuries will have. I write all of this with a heavy heart because Messi is an outstanding young player but one I sadly do not think will ever reach his full potential because of the body he was born with. I genuinely hope he makes the most of his career but unlike others I will not be ignorant the facts of the situation.


EDIT: Now if you still wish to disagree then let's just agree to do so. There is little point in going round in circles and ruining this thread.

 

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Anyone remember a player named Ronaldo?, I still recall his original injury where he fell like a heap , he was never the same after that, I think his power in his legs was massive and his body could not adapt to his strength and one area was just to underdeveloped, pity really.

 

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No, just the title of the papers would be good enough. I'd like to learn more on the subject and I was actually hoping that you would point me in that direction, but it does seem like you are "pulling it out of your ass".

 

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Im sure a fairly simple internet search could enlighten most, I however seriously doubt any extensive studies have been done yet on athletes who have GHD, maybe though there are some, give me a few days maybe I can dig something up, this is the cyber age after all

 

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The only ones I have read in relation to athletes deals with them trying to take GH (in whatever form) as a stimulant.