LILLE vs REAL MADRID | UEFA Champions League - League Phase Match #2 | 02.10.24 | 21:00 CET

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  1. lecannois

    lecannois Member+

    Real Madrid
    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    To me, the fullback positions, that we've essentially ignored due to the talent in midfield, is now the biggest issue. Mendy brings absolutely nothing to the attack. Carvajal is getting old. We really need these positions to carry their weight now that we no longer have a historic midfield.

    It actually kills me that we had Theo Hernandez and Ashraf Hakimi yet decided to get rid of both. They are the best right and left fullbacks in the world right now imo.
     
  2. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Damn just watched the highlights

    rough
     
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  3. gladiator guti

    gladiator guti Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    Modric put that ball on the plate for Guler, poor rookie missed the open net.
     
  4. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Zizou didnt wanna keep Theo nor Achraf. Nothing we can do about it now.
     
  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #380 4x4s, Oct 2, 2024
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    The fullback is the single most overrated position on the field. If there's a position where good enough is good enough, thats it right there.

    Marcelo on certain nights couldn't defend himself against a pigeon, and he was still part of one of the best if not the best CL teams in history.


    Something is wrong if Endrick is starting for us, that's all i'm going to say. It's either coming from upstairs or something is very wrong.


    AS calls out the team for an "excess of confidence and arrogance". This kind of hits the mark with me.

    Marca gives everybody, coach and players the lowest rating besides Modric.
     
  6. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Kroos haters trying to act like they look cool by revising history is funny. We lack a player controlling tempo and there’s nobody better than him at that, so it’s natural we were going to suffer.
     
  7. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    This is on Carlo and his dinosaur tactics first and foremost. Yes, we've been getting the results despite some bad football on display but how do you get outplayed by LILLE? Theoretically even our bench should be able to beat them.
     
  8. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    This is exactly why Barca walk through the League and we're dropping points. Like both Madrid dailies say this morning, this team believes just wearing the kit is enough. Nobody does the extra, we play like 50% is enough. Truth is, it isn't. I've noticed how whenever Vini is beefing with somebody he makes fun of guys for playing for less successful teams. Maybe that's kind of an arrogance that's infiltrating a pretty young squad that entered the sport in a privileged position and didn't have to grind through it.


    If you want to talk about tactics, this isn't a tactically diverse squad or one with players that have a lot of depth to their game. It's a team wildly constructed around athleticism. Running fast, being stronger, being there first. The negative to this is, if the players are not using that to their advantage through a lack of effort, the team is average.
     
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  9. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Why does your forward has as many touches as your midfielders? Something is wrong here:
    1. The tactics (the midfield is being bypassed in some manner)
    2. Our midfielders are not as comfortable with the ball as we thought (unlikely)
     

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  10. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Lille ran more miles as a team, and recovered the ball more often.

    The fact that we had more of the ball but managed to foul overwhelmigly more often than Lille did, along with the fact that we ran less shows lack of discipline and effort.
     
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  11. yoanaidarov

    yoanaidarov Member+

    Real Madrid
    Bulgaria
    Sep 29, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Bulgaria
    Hey, we should check out Lucas Biglia.
     
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  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Transfer policy is fine and all, but we need experience. Too many dumb mistakes, not enough guys that treat this as a full time job and go out there to put a shift and secure the points.

    The club has done great in identifying talents, but we're looking at experienced players like they're crippled war vets, this has to change.
     
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  13. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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  14. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    It is not a big deal, they just need to kidnap Kroos in the next transfer window.

    FYI I really hate this formation without Kroos. Just do 433 with a couple of wide players. Do not over complicate it.
     
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  15. Nir_O

    Nir_O BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
  16. WhiteRM

    WhiteRM Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 17, 2024
    We hit rock bottom yesterday, need to learn from our mistakes and move on.
    The lose isn't hard cuz we didn't lose 14 games straight in the CL and 35 games in total, but the hard thing is the way we looked. we looked like sh*t.
    Mendy doesn't need to play unless we face City/Bayern/Liverpool/Barca.
    Instead of playing with Tchouaméni and Cama play with one of them and Guler.
     
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  17. Nir_O

    Nir_O BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
    We need more creativity as Kroos is no longer here
    Move Camavinga to LB
    Play like this:
    TC
    Carvajal - Militao - Rüdiger - Camavinga
    Tchuameni
    Valverde - Bellingham
    Rodrygo
    Mbappé - Vini
     
  18. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Of course, I feel upset, but we just need to make the knockout round. In that stage, the only team that poses a significant challenge to us is Manchester City, and I don't care when we will meet them in the knockoff stage. Quarterfinals, semifinals, and the final are the same. The real tournament has not started.

    In the league, we are just 3 points behind Barcelona. Currently, they are the stronger team, but the question remains: can they sustain this level of intensity until the season's conclusion? Their standout player is a 17-year-old who may lack experience in managing a full season, while their other key player is 36 years old. And how often have a team appeared promising in the first half of the season only to ultimately lose the title?
     
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  19. Nir_O

    Nir_O BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
    Barca has their injuries soon: Gavi, De Jong just return.. soon Arauju..
    they are hungry
    It will be tough
     
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  20. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It is only October. Let's see.
     
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  21. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Vini has been awful. He has "Brazilian" written all over his career. I don't see this guy playing in elite tournaments after turning 30. He seems a little bored already.
     
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  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    I just think people look at player development as an eternal ladder when it's not quite like that.
     
  23. Naz07

    Naz07 Member

    Aug 5, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yeah that was a disgusting performance, possibly our worst of the season so far. We could’ve grabbed a draw/win but would’ve been underserved. There’s a multitude of issues as already pointed out regarding the tactics, but no matter what tactics we use it won’t cover up for the lack of attitude lack of form from key players. My observations:

    - while many teams do not have a Kroos and still function, Carlo has yet to find a solution for that. With no Kroos you need to play a high pressing game, win the ball higher up and move the lines higher and closer to each other. Vini and co shouldn’t be constantly making runs from the half way line with no supporting players within a half mile radius. Players aren’t sure when to attack and when to stay back, where they are supposed to be etc. it’s like making off the ball runs is a foreign concept.

    - i’ll use Vini as an example here to illustrate; losing the ball cheaply multiple times then seeing the opposition run in numbers towards your goal while you walk around flailing your arms is not a good look. Need better attitude from everyone.

    - lack of form from Carvajal, Mendy, Rudiger, Tchouameni, Vini… that’s too many ‘key’ players. Not sure if it’s fatigue or form, hope it’s the latter and they snap out of it soon.

    All in all, I could find positives from every single game we played so far except this one, just a shit show from minute 1. Let’s hope this is rock bottom and we go upwards from here but the early signings aren’t promising.
     
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  24. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    What would Kroos have changed? He wouldn't have scored and he can't stop Rudigier from doing being unfocused and doing crazy/dumb shit.

    People always do this crap. Same cries for Joselu as if this time last year Joselu wasn't be insulted left and right in this same forum
     
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  25. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Many of these comments are dumb.

    Last year how many times did we start off slow or drop points when we shouldn't have?

    They have of course all forgotten that and apparently we won each match 5-0 because they loved how we didn't buy a star striker and how Joselu was a backup

    We still won the CL and league.. even though these same "fans" said we had no chance when we only brought in Joselu, asked how we would score goals and did this same routine every time we win didn't win with ease.

    Same "fans" will be beating their chest like their the ones who played and stood strong through the tough times in a season lol.
     

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