Libertarian failure thread, 2.0

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I can’t even…
     
  2. DrScorpio

    DrScorpio Member

    San Lorenzo
    Argentina
    Jan 6, 2022
    #777 DrScorpio, Sep 26, 2025
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    Sorry but I never seen more poverty in Argentina than under this government (I was too young in 2001). Same people that also accused the previous one to manipulate statistics numbers, so why should I trust their numbers?
    The UCA (Catholic University of Argentina) says that the numbers are "overrepresented"

     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    "Scratch every Libertarian and there's a fascist underneath"

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  4. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Summer of 2024 Argentina had gold then valued at $5.2 billion. Some of all of that gold was transferred outside Argentina. The government won't say where.

    https://english.elpais.com/economy-...specifying-the-quantities-or-destination.html

    The problem is a lot of outsiders are owed money by Argentina, and if they find out where the gold is they can legally seize it. So why did they do it? Who knows, but there are some weird things going on with crypto stablecoin Tether and Howard Lutnick, who advised Tether to buy Argentinian companies. Maybe Trump's bailout isn't bailing out Argentina, but his friends.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Has anyone checked the walls of the Oval?
     
  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yes, they're plastic from Ali Baba..

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    So, they're not Argentinian (silver?) gold...
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There is no mystery. The gold was mostly sent (ironically) to London. Some to Switzerland as well. My understanding is that it's done with the tacit approval of the IMF, so there is no concern for unexpected seizures.

    There is no doubt that whatever is happening is clearly understood and tacitly approved by the world's top financial leaders, not just Trump and Milei. If by Trump's friends you mean those people, your speculation is right on the money.
     
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  8. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LITERALLY
     
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  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Randy's irate neighbor was also a Libertarian. He took liberties on Randy's face
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  11. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  12. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Not even Teh Good Ones?
     
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  14. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is that true? Rand Paul recently claimed that his neighbor was a left-wing Democrat (in the context of the Charlie Kirk murder, of course). I mean--I don't put it beyond the guy to bold-face lie.
     
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  15. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    I believe that was something called a "joke".Normies do that.Its OK to ignore them- if you say anything they think you're weird.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    During the virtual hearing, Paul, who suffered broken ribs in the November 2017 attack, said he flew 10 feet in the air from the force of the attack and was left with a “significant injury that I have lifelong symptoms from.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...tional-prison-time-over-yard-assault-n1235013


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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren’t they supposed to be funny? Otherwise they’re not jokes.
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Smoked by a Frenchie named Rene. Dang Randy
     
  19. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on,that' s what I'm talking about!
    Also,explain Theo Von.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m reminded of the Cheers episode where Cliff tried standup. “My son, the father. What’s up with that?”
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You don't need to be sorry. You are speaking based on your own experience. I never said that there is no significant poverty in Argentina, and it would be a very foolish statement to make. What I was doing was comparing poverty in Argentina to poverty in other parts of the world, based on my experience, which is extensive.

    A different poster could also point out that they've never seen more poverty in the US than they do now, and they may be right. My point was not that there is no significant poverty in the US or in Argentina, but based on my experience I would argue that poverty in the US is not the same experience as poverty in Argentina. By the same token I argued that in my view the poverty in Argentina is not the same experience as poverty in places like (for example) Venezuela or Bolivia.

    As far as trusting financial figures, I don't think there is anything wrong with being skeptical, but lets be real. It's been well established that the numbers thrown around by the Fernandez administration were blatantly false. I think the numbers that are being reported today can be scrutinized, but we are nowhere near that same level of misrepresentation.
     
  23. DrScorpio

    DrScorpio Member

    San Lorenzo
    Argentina
    Jan 6, 2022
    I agree that the poverty in Argentina is not the same as the one in the US.

    The problem is, if the number that the Fernandez administration were blatantly false, why the ones of this administration wouldn't? Is the same goverment that already has lied about other "less serious" things and has more corruption cases that the previous with the complicity of some judges.
    All of the narco links this government has are absurd, worse than Massa who already was "narco friendly".

    Is really hard to believe that the poverty has decreased with rising unemployment and closing companies
     
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  24. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It’s hard to tell from anecdotal evidence. What I get from family and people I know is a mixed bag. Some seem to be doing better, some do not. And for the most part their opinion of the future seems to be influenced by their ideological leanings.

    We do know that exports have increased, and the trade surplus has helped boost the economy somewhat, some sectors more that others, while the weakness in the currency is an on-going concern.

    I think, as a friend told me referring to today’s elections, we (Argentines) are forced to choose between the certitude of the colossal failures of the past, and the uncertain degree of the likely failures of the present course. And, is there an alternative to both? The United Provinces movement? I’m still not clear what they stand for.
     
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