Libertadores 2013 match discussion (R)

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by condor11, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    argie newspapers are calling a "brazilian shame", saying the cops caused the brawl and were violent.
     
  2. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    specially since Santos is not in the Libertadores.

    really... thats nonsense. Libertadores crowds are 3-4 times larger in average than State Championship crowds.
     
  3. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    And if that occurs, Arsenal will have to thank its luck because it, as the 5th "promedio" club in your league, allowed 10 goals in 2 matches against Atl. Mineiro. Not a recipe for Copa success.
     
  4. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You mean Canchallena? The good thing is that many Argentine readers put comments showing they did not agree with the headline. I present you with a sampling.

    Los jugadores de Arsenal reaccionaron con la típica desobediencia argentina hacia todo lo que es autoridad. En un país donde cualquiera corta una calle o una ruta y la policía mira de lejos, o donde las normas de tránsito son violadas todos los días por gente común y por el transporte público sin que la policía actúe más allá de para pedir alguna coima, el ciudadano común no está acostumbrado a ser confrontado con una fuerza de seguridad que se toma en serio su función a partir del apoyo del poder político de turno. Resultado, lo que vimos. Es la segunda vez que sucede algo así en poco tiempo, y nada permite suponer que estas situaciones no se sigan repitiendo.

    Les tiraron los escudos encima??? Los jugadores fueron a PATOTEAR al arbitro y la policía correctamente fue a separar. Pasa que acá parece normal esto de patotear a la autoridad cuando te fue mal, para no hacerte cargo. Arsenal se comió un baile del mejor equipo de la copa, acá y allá les metió 5 pepas. Simplemente no está a la altura del Mineiro, el mejor equipo del torneo hasta ahora, pero los argentinos no sabemos perder. Que deberían haber hecho los brasileros cuando el árbitro no expulso a Braghieri en el partido de ida cuando casi le quiebra tibia y peroné a Ronaldinho??? El árbitro decide y punto, patotear no cambió nunca una decisión. Y a la policía, como bien dicen otros comentarios, en el resto del mundo no la podes patear y apedrear como se hace acá sin consecuencias. Los jugadores encima se hacen los gallitos en el campo y después llorán por los medios los cobardes cuando a quien agrede reacciona. Con un muñeco que no te puede devolver la agresión es guapo cualquiera.

    Somos una vergüenza malos perdedores, en la medida que los equipos de fútbol no eduquen a sus jugadores y los saquen de las villas directo a la competencia esto seguira como lo arreglan en sus ámbitos... a las trompadas.. una verguenza y una muestra mas de la degradación del ser Argentino...

    Probablemente me critique alguien por este comentario. Pero la única verdad, es la realidad. En Argentina, la gente se acostumbró a putear, escupir y mear a la Policía y que no pase nada, principalmente cuando te está filmando la TV. Lo vemos a diario, en los piquetes, las manifestaciones, etc. Cualquiera que haya estado alguna vez en Brasil, sabe que con la policía no se jode, que si te dicen "un paso atrás", es un "paso atrás", y si no les haces caso, vas en Cana y te ca.gan a palazos y no abro un juicio de valor con esto. Cuando vamos de visita, hay que concientizar a los jugadores que esto es así y se evitarán conflictos como estos. Al fin y al cabo ¿de que sirve ir a gritarle al arbitro cuando ya terminó el partido? Los partidos, se ganan en la cancha.

    Los que estamos equivocados somos nosotros al ir a prepotear a la policia local.. eso solo se puede hacer aca, aca nadie respeta nada. pero alla en la que te pasaste de vivo.. te cortan menos 10.prefiero que un policia apunte con un arma y no dispare.. a que un barrabrava apunte al aire y dispare por simple "canchereada".

    Nuestros futbolistas sin dudas que están acostumbrados a prepotear a árbitros, policias, peloteros, etc. Tendrán que acostumbrarse a que en otros Países la autoridad no es sólo un uniforme.

    Los Argentinos estamos muy mal acostumbrados, como acá no se respeta nada, la autoridad, las normas de convivencia, los derechos, etc. Creemos que en todos lados es igual, y que cualquiera puede matonear, insultar, agredir y lo que es peor a la Policía. Cosa que no pasa en ningún otro lugar del mundo, donde la policía si se ve agredida o cree que corre riesgo su vida puede actuar.Que es lo que paso en el partido de Arsenal. No tienen ninguna justificación en su reacción ni con los árbitros ni con la policía. Deben aprender que les guste o no en otros países se respeta la autoridad, sino marche preso.

    Verguenza brasileña? Aca la culpa es de los jugadores de Arsenal que reflejan a una embrutecida sociedad Argentina. Fueron a hacerse los guapos, tipica mentalidad cabeza. La policia perfecta. Van a ver como los barra bravas en el Mundial se portan como unos señoritos por el zocaga que van a tener, igual que en Sudafrica. Solo aca se hacen los vivos porque estan entongados con los politicos.

    La vergüenza es argentina no brasileña, Canchallena, somos eternos malos perdedores, y aqui no hago distinción de equipos, soy de Boca me tocó ir a verlo perder la final en Manizales y los jugadores ni vinieron a saludar a la hinchada con excepción de Vargas que se iba del equipo. Ver el escupitajo de Benitez, etc Como estas mil situaciones que siempre dan vergüenza ajena en este tipo de competiciones. Se gana y se pierde en la cancha y si te roban el partido, te la comés porque es parte del juego, lo tienen que enseñar desde chiquitos y acabar con esa cultura bilardista de que el segundo no existe.
     
  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL. What's up with you and always copying and pasting select Argentine readers comments on newspaper websites when you try to take an anti-Argentine stance in a debate? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I don't get why you even bother taking the time. I'm pretty sure no one actually reads them.
     
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  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA


    Because this shows that the issue isn't a monolithic "Brazil vs. Argentina" argument. There was actually (at least) one Brazilian journalist who criticized the police. So much for an "anti-Argentine" position that you claim I'm trying to hold.



    Silly question, Locoxriver..

    Speculate away.
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Halftime scores:

    Newell's Old Boys 2 CD Lara 0 (Newell's advances with this result)
    Nacional 2 Toluca 0 (Nacional and Boca Juniors advance with this result)
     
  8. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    As much as you may hate it and it clearly needs fixing, Brazilian clubs need CL/CS as much as those tourneys need Brazil. It would limit your int'l brand and limit your price tag on outbound players and isolate your potential. Can UEFAChampions League be played with 3-4 countries. Yes, probably a better quality product but one that would eventually fail. People like to root for the underdog and that's what these type of tourneys bring. It also either confirms or exposes the mediocrity or superiority of given leagues. I just think they need to increase the purse, implement a coefficient type system and improve the marketing aspect of the tourney. They need to bring better security, coverage and overall professionalism.
     
  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Terminados:

    Newell's Old Boys 3 Lara 1

    Nacional 4 Toluca 0:eek:
     
  10. Santista1962

    Santista1962 Red Card

    Sep 9, 2011
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Conmebol: Es "imperdonable" la acción policial en Brasil contra el Arsenal

    ******** CONMediocre, ******** everyone else. Sorry, we don't need CL/CS.

    As a matter of fact, the CL was seen, before we won it in 1962, as a bothersome sideshow no one cared about. When we won it, winning the trophy became synonymous with beating our Santasticos. Those same Argentines, and to a good extent Uruguay, damn near destroyed it. They sure overkilled the Intercontinental Cup that, despite being a friendly, was an interesting way of matching up different styles.

    I can't believe we have idiots talking about getting rid of Estaduais just to give room to this shitty circus joint. CONMediocre can take those tin-pot trophies and shove it.

    You, being Colombian, should really rethink your position as well. Colombia has far more potential than Argentina in the sport but Colombians, as a whole, allow themselves to be happy with mediocrity. That was apparent in the 1990s.

    Congrats on finally getting off the Clinton List. Now that all those millions of dollars in the US are unfrozen and you can get major sponsors, America should focus on reconfirming their fanfare, controlling their ultras, and start a serious project that will lead 3-4 years from now in a national title.

     
  11. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    En los descansos:

    Univ.de Chile(CHI) 0 Olimpia(PAR) 0

    The Strongest(BOL) 1 Sao Paulo(BRA) 1
     
  12. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    The scenario completely changed in Group 1. Toluca beat Boca Jrs. in Argentina and was actually up 1-2 vs. Nacional in Mexico. Now Toluca is out.

    The group stage is nearly over. Given all we've seen in the group stages so far with underperforming favorites, this looks to be an epic Libertadores in the making. The round of 16 will be VERY interesting.
     
  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    On a lighter note, a Brazilian TV news show used the symbol for England's Arsenal for Arsenal of Sarandi...

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    A couple of things to be noted from the Mineiro-Arsenal incident.



    -It seems that the police started hitting the Arsenal players.
    -Arsenal players were WRONG on fighting back instead of just retreating and leaving the pitch.
    -In first place the police took too long to cover the referee, even though he wasn't hurt nor it seems it was the players intention, everywhere the police covers the referee just in case when it's evident that the players will have it with him after the final whistle, and really there's no need to be aiming with a gun at the players...

    Honestly that group is so messed up I don't think whoever comes second reaches the quarter finals.

    By the way Scocco set a new record, he's the player that scored the most goals for Newell's on the Libertadores.
     
  15. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Terminados:

    Univ.de Chile(CHI) 0 Olimpia(PAR) 1:rolleyes:

    The Strongest(BOL) 2 Sao Paulo(BRA) 1
     
  16. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    "La foto":

    Nacional(URU), Boca Juniors(ARG)
    Libertad(PAR), Palmeiras(BRA)
    Atlético MG(BRA), The Strongest(BOL)
    Vélez Sarsfield(ARG), Emelec(ECU)
    Corinthians(BRA), Tijuana(MÉJ)
    Independiente Sta.Fe(COL), Deps.Tolima(COL)
    Olimpia(PAR), Newell's old boys(ARG).
    Huachipato(CHI), Fluminense(BRA).

    4 brasileños
    3 argentinos
    2 paraguayos
    2 colombianos
    1 chileno
    1 ecuatoriano
    1 uruguayo
    1 boliviano
    1 mejicano
     
  17. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Terrid, so if Arsenal defeats The Strongest and São Paulo loses with Mineiro they're in...

    If São Paulo and Arsenal end up with the same amounts of points, the goal difference favours SPFC.
     
  18. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  19. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So Boca Juniors made it to the next round. Hopefully now Bianchi will have a little time to solidify the defense.
     
  20. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I am a big Scocco fan. He's by far the best player in Argentina. But you're really grasping at straws with that "record" jajaja
     
  21. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002

    wow! he's better than Messi!
    :thumbsup:
     
  22. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Scocco is an amazing player. Did you see his two GOLAZOS yesterday? The guy is by far the best player in south america not playing in brazil. He is unstoppable. If Newell's can avoid Atletico Mineiro and Corinthians, they are serious candidates to make the semis mainly thanks to him.

    As a fellow Argentine poster said, Messi is simply the Scocco of Barcelona.

    On top of that, every goal the guy scores is a beautiful goal. Here are a few examples



     
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  23. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Scocco is an amazing player. Did you see his two GOLAZOS yesterday? The guy is by far the best player in south america not playing in brazil. He is unstoppable. If Newell's can avoid Atletico Mineiro and Corinthians, they are serious candidates to make the semis at a minimum mainly thanks to him.

    As a fellow Argentine poster said, Messi is simply the Scocco of Barcelona.

    On top of that, every goal the guy scores is a beautiful goal. Here are a few examples



     
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  24. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    you're not kidding! Messi never did that in Newell's
     
  25. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

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