Liberal Hawks Reconsider the Iraq War

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  1. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    #1 Attacking Minded, Jan 18, 2004
    Here is a good article from Slate. http://slate.msn.com/id/2093620/entry/2093641/

    I think it's good because there are many points I agree with. :) Here is a quote:

    It is a long articles written by several writers. There is a lot more to it than just "I still think we should have gone to war." What makes it interesting to me is that none of the guys, AFAIK, voted for Bush or will vote for Bush yet they defend the war. I suspect the analysis is more objective than some of the more partisan stuff we are usually offered.


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  2. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
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    #2 mannyfreshstunna, Jan 18, 2004
    Nice read. Again, i wish they would have said so many other things than "WMD, WMD, WMD." There are so many reasons to justify what we did. Advanced human rights, curbing Islamo-fascism, sending a message about American will etc.


    But if you wanna believe Mike Retort and Mel Lenin it was all Halliburton's doing. It almost to the point where i can't even debate this anymore.
     
  3. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    #3 MikeLastort2, Jan 18, 2004
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    Thanks Manny. I thought from the "what do neo-cons read" thread that you might actually be somewhat reasonable. Thanks for showing me that I was wrong. Now I know I can go back to ignoring you.
     
  4. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

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    #4 mannyfreshstunna, Jan 18, 2004
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    Lighten up, geez.
     
  5. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    #5 MikeLastort2, Jan 18, 2004
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Liberal Hawks Reconsider the Iraq War

    Wait a second. So Mike Retort isn't me then?
     
  6. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
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    #6 mannyfreshstunna, Jan 18, 2004
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    No, it was an oblique reference to you, but it was in jest. So in conclusion, it was a joke.
     
  7. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    #7 MikeLastort2, Jan 18, 2004
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    Sorry that I didn't get it.

    :)

    Better now?
     
  8. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

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    #8 mannyfreshstunna, Jan 18, 2004
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    Much.
     
  9. DoyleG

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    #9 DoyleG, Jan 18, 2004
    Sad part about this is that most liberals need a great deal of convincing to do the right thing.
     
  10. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    #10 BenReilly, Jan 18, 2004
    It's worth repeating, and has always been the best argument for the war.

     
  11. NSlander

    NSlander Member

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    #11 NSlander, Jan 18, 2004
    Yes. Thank you for your "convincing" us of the credible imminent threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

    Stop lying.
     
  12. DoyleG

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    #12 DoyleG, Jan 18, 2004
    I never belived in the WMD angle. Taking out a tyrant was sufficent enough for me to support it.

    Let me know when you get your foot out your mouth.
     
  13. NSlander

    NSlander Member

    Feb 28, 2000
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    #13 NSlander, Jan 18, 2004
    Then why don't you hawks have the guts to demand the President to actually adopt this logic and punish those responsible for 9/11?
     
  14. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

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    #14 mannyfreshstunna, Jan 18, 2004
    Because then you better be ready for a western power vs. Islam war buddy.
     
  15. Nogra Rover

    Nogra Rover New Member

    Mar 30, 2000
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    #15 Nogra Rover, Jan 18, 2004
    If that's all you need, who's next?

    Zimbabwe? Burma? China? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? Ukraine? Uzbekistan?

    Please.
     
  16. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    #16 Attacking Minded, Jan 18, 2004
    If any of those countries were the most secular countries in the middle east, smack dab in the middle of the region and stuck from progressing by a thug dictator then yes, they would be next.

    We can’t do everything that's good to do. We can’t right every wrong nor turn every dictatorship into a democracy. However, Iraq is worth the effort because the up side is so positive.

    The Iraq war is still worth doing right.
     
  17. NSlander

    NSlander Member

    Feb 28, 2000
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    #17 NSlander, Jan 18, 2004
    I have no doubt you never believed the WMD angle. I also have little doubt you defended and/or perpetuated the President's deceit.

    If you did honestly advocate this action on purely humanitarian grounds, bully for you. The fact remains that Congress and the American people were denied their right to make that decision. If Iraqi liberation was self-justifying, it should have been presented accordingly. But it wasn't. And you don't care.
     
  18. NSlander

    NSlander Member

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    #18 NSlander, Jan 18, 2004
    Your whole argument just fell apart.
     
  19. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

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    #19 BenReilly, Jan 19, 2004
    We are.
     
  20. edcrocker

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    #20 edcrocker, Jan 19, 2004
    It's terrible that the U.S. invaded. All those lives were lost. Life is precious.

    Here is a link to a site that compiles estimates from reliable new sources on civilian deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion:

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
     
  21. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    #21 MikeLastort2, Jan 19, 2004
    I was 100% behind the invasion of Afghanistan. Why? Well, because we had proof that the Taliban was harboring Bin Laden the leaders or Al Qaeda who were directly responsible for 9/11.

    In other words, I was a "liberal hawk" for going to war with Afghanistan because their government played a significant role in the disaster of 9/11 by the mere fact that their government allowed the planners of that attack to do the planning in their country.

    However, if the Taliban had handed Bin Laden and every major leader of Al Qaeda to the USA, and had cooperated with the USA in ridding their country of other Al Qaeda members, then I would have opposed an invasion. Even though the Taliban are horrible.

    If a definite link between September 11th and Iraq had been shown, then I would've also been behind going to war there as well.

    However, as a "liberal hawk," I find this ends justifies the means way of thinking to be unconsionable. To those who can live with it, more power to you. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
     
  22. superdave

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    #22 superdave, Jan 19, 2004
    If the point of the war was to prick the Islamic terror bubble, then why would we attack a secular nation?

    I'm not sure you understand what "secular" means. I think you think it has the exact opposite of its English meaning.
     
  23. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    #23 Attacking Minded, Jan 19, 2004
    Dear Lord help me.

    One more time, Superficial Dave: Because it is the center of middle east and was being held back from it's potential by a post colonial dictator. This is not a war against religion.


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  24. GringoTex

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    #24 GringoTex, Jan 19, 2004
    ""Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place." -George W. Bush
     
  25. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    #25 GringoTex, Jan 19, 2004
    So invading Iraq has proven to Osama and Al Qaeda that it's not ok to plow airplanes into the World Trade?

    Some people really are living in fantasy land.
     
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