Let's haver some fun with the VP nomination. Who would be your choice? Feel free to post the rationa

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by charlie15, Jul 22, 2024.

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Pick your VP.....

Poll closed Aug 12, 2024.
  1. Shapiro

    33.3%
  2. Whitmer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Cooper

    3.0%
  4. Beshear

    12.1%
  5. Kelly

    9.1%
  6. Polis

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Buttigieg

    33.3%
  8. Pritzker

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Someone else

    9.1%
  1. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    Not Ginni - Binni as in Netanyahu - I know we've all moved on from the IDF playing whackamole with anyone too swarthy over there - but our "far left" really thinks the America is somehow more than marginally culpable and magically able to stop the IDF from murdering people?

    That ship sailed long ago when Israel achieved Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority
     
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  2. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

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    #77 raza_rebel, Jul 23, 2024
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    Kelley has the bonafides and the ability to be VP. Does that mean Kari Lake has a shot at winning one of two seats if Kelly becomes the VP? Both seats are up for grabs since Sinema is not running. If Senator Kelly runs to be the VP, the Arizona governor (Dem Hobbs) then selects an appointment. but both Senator seats are vacant and are up for election this year.

    Does anyone know how this plays out in the Arizona process of selecting Senators?
     
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  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    You're right. Of course, in a better country we don't just don't get Trump- we don't get Nixon, Reagan, Dubya or his father, either.
     
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  4. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Not with your posting history
     
  5. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Atlanta
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    I'm staying out of that thread. Criticizing Netanyahu under a username tied to your email and potentially other accounts is a fool's errand. But you're right- this gives him cover, because the world is looking at Kamala and Donald right now.
     
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  6. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    Dude, please don't go there. First JD Vance kids are the products of a white guy and an Indian woman. Kamala's parents are Indian and black (Jamaican). Do you se the difference? I helped you there.
    Second she identifies as black as a result, the best thing to do is to accept and respect this.
    By the way, this is something black people face often, particularly those of mixed races or light skin. It is truly uncomfortable to hear comments like "you do not look black" or "You look different" etc... I have heard it quite often myself since I am part of the light complexion brigade and it is ********ing tiring!
     
  7. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    And see, here I am putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the people that elect Netanyahu
     
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  8. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    I don't know any of the candidates well, but looking at it superficially, if we want to beat Trump, and we are looking for somebody who might appeal to independents, conservatives, Republicans, Christians, white males, and in general potential voters who mistrust the left but don't care much for Trump either, I think Beshear would be a logical pragmatic choice.
     
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  9. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Apologies, for some reason I missed the Jamaican part.
     
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  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    Do people really seriously consider VP candidates when voting? I’m hard pressed to remember losing VP candidates once the election is over.
     
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  11. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    No worries mate.
     
  12. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    He's another great choice. Balancing a former Senator from California with a governor from Kentucky is exactly the sort of balance conventional wisdom and tradition would suggest.
     
  13. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Nope...Having said that a bad VP can cause damages.....(See Palin, Sarah)
     
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  14. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    United States
    In spite of what I just posted above--that has been my thinking. I think national politics have moved so firmly into the realm of culture-war issues and ideological thinking that the traditional metrics of balancing the ticket regionally might be anachronistic.

    But that's a theory which can only be tested in practice, and I recognize that when we're facing a fascist opponent, this may not be the time for bold innovation.




    (...but maybe it is?)
     
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  15. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    I kind of understand why, and I think you probably will if you give it some thought. My yellow star is visible, but his will get him in slightly more trouble than mine will, depending on who's in the parking lot when he leaves with a SO or who pulls me over on/runs me off the road at night.

    If I were 40 years younger, I'd leave just to be able to support a club in a proper league. Anywhere there's jazz and football, and enough black people that I can commiserate with them when race becomes an issue.

    Look at it like this- if you were living in any of the places he'd choose to relocate to when this shit popped off in America, would you come here? Leaving is really just a matter of overcoming one's personal inertia.
     
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  16. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Counterpoint--it may still matter to major donors and party insiders (and the activist base).
     
  17. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    United States
    After 2024, the Judas Caucus gets purged
     
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  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    The Harris campaign has requested vetting materials from the following potential vice presidential nominee picks, according to NBC News:

    • North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper
    • Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro
    • Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona
    • Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer
    • Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz

    I am surprised Beshear is not on the list. I rate him highly. Whitmer already said she will stay in Michigan. At this point, it has to be between Kelly and Shapiro. Both solid choices.
     
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  19. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Palin didn't hurt McCain IMO, because he was not going to win no matter who he chose. McCain was running as a statesman against a Rock Star statesman. He was Mondale without the Former Veep cred. He was Dole, Romney, GHWB (who doesn't win without being the Veep IMO).
     
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  20. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    McCain wasn’t going to win regardless, but yes, in a close election a bad VP pick could make a difference.
     
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  21. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    I know he would have lost but his campaign basically sucked and come a laughing stock the minute Palin had the Katie Couric interview....Lieberman would have make the race a bit more competitive if Mc Cain had picked him (as he wanted).
     
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  22. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    Columbus Crew
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    I just don't think that "independents, conservatives, Republicans, Christians, white males, and in general potential voters who mistrust the left but don't care much for Trump either" is a real category that the Dems can attract. Is this election about appealing to the "middle," or energizing the base? Beshear won't put Kentucky in play, and I have concerns he'd not do much to energize the base.

    As much as I'd personally like Pete, Kelly is impressive. Military background, gun safety, makes Arizona an easier win for Dems. I wonder, too, if he being from a border state might help in an election where Trump and Vance will talk incessantly about immigration.
     
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  23. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    If there's a Hell, that filthy SOB is there now.
     
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  24. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    The Palin pick was a sign of weakness he never recovered from.
     
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  25. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    These are all swing state candidates with the exception of MN. Besides KY is really small.
     
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