Let’s discuss the pros and cons of fall-to-spring

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by KCbus, Oct 23, 2024.

  1. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    I think its kinda dumb.

    But I kinda just don't care anymore. I cancelled my season tickets for next season. I will buy MLS Season pass next season and likely every season moving forward. But its whatever. Not worth my emotional investment to get worked up about scheduling etc. I will enjoy the games whenever they are.
     
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  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Tampa Bay has an MLS team now? Hmmm, I musta missed that one...
     
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  3. Nerroth

    Nerroth Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Ontario, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #103 Nerroth, Oct 29, 2024
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    Perhaps a useful case study might be to wait and see how the switch in scheduling impacts the J. League over in Japan.

    While the Asia Football Confederation has already moved the AFC Champions League to an autumn-to-spring schedule, the J. League is set to make this same adjustment by the 2026-27 season.

    On the one hand, with summer temperatures reaching record levels across much of Japan in recent years, a move away from this would perhaps benefit those clubs in more southerly parts of the country.

    Yet, on the other hand, I have more than a few concerns about how this change would affect teams further north - not least of which being Hokkaido Consadole Sapporo.

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    Actually, the next few years might be a challenge for Consa regardless.

    In the immediate future, they are at serious risk this season of getting themselves relegated down to the J2 League.

    Also, now that NPB's Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters have moved out of the Sapporo Dome (or rather, the Daiwa House Premist Dome, as it is presently known), there are questions being raised as to the Dome's long-term financial viability - especially if Consa find themselves stuck in the J2 League for an extended period of time.

    And if that wasn't enough, the backup stadium in Sapporo which the team used to have available is reportedly under a multi-year renovation.

    And, even if the team were to be able to stay in the Dome going forward, the problem there is that the grass playing surface is intended to be rolled in and out as and when required. Which is fine when the weather is good during the summer - by and large, summers in Hokkaido are less hot and less humid than in other parts of Japan - but which might be an issue in the depths of a snowy Hokkaido winter.

    In the long run, I might wonder if the team would need its own retractable roof stadium, akin to the Fighters' new ballpark over in Kitahiroshima. That is, if anyone can be convinced to pay for it...
     
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  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

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    Conshohocken, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing to also consider: renovations/upgrades to existing Stadiums. A late Summer-Spring schedule would allow a better window for construction projects (May-July).
     
  5. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Off topic, but What a beautiful stadium. I want to watch games there.
     
  6. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    Seattle and Portland are not at all in the same category as Dallas in Winter.
     
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  7. Nerroth

    Nerroth Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Ontario, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I agree; it's certainly the ballpark I'd want to visit the most!



    In terms of actually getting there, plans are in place to open a new JR rail station just across from it, supposedly by 2027. (Right now, the nearest station is elsewhere in Kitahiroshima, and is about 20 minutes' walk from the stadium.)

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    As for the Dome back in Sapporo, the nearest metro station is about 10 minutes' walk to the building. I don't know if there was ever any thought put in towards extending the line closer to the Dome - or perhaps even underneath it? - even when the Fighters were still there; it might be a tougher sell in their absence.

    Although, I wonder if an outside-the-box option could be to convert the area where the retractable grass field sits outside of the Dome into a smaller soccer-only stadium, akin to how Stade Saputo was placed over the former practice track by the Big O(we) in Montréal? Then, the Dome could be permanently set into whichever role would best suit its continued use going forward.
     
  8. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It snows in Texas in April. North Texas that is.
    Depends on fronts from Canada that pass down off the Rockies.
    Does the PNW have these same issues with fronts from Canada in April?
     
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  9. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
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    United States
    One con is that it would involve MLS changing rather than forcing the rest of the overwhelmingly busted and puny soccer universe to bend the knee.
     
  10. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    According to Google:

    Dallas's average high & low temps and rain in Winter months is:
    • December 61/41 degrees, 5 days of rain
    • January 58/36 degrees, 5 days of rain
    • February 62/41 degrees, 6 days of rain
    • March 72/50 degrees, 7 days of rain

    Seattle's average high & low temps and rain in Winter months is:
    • December 46/39degrees , 13 days of rain
    • January 47/39 degrees, 13 days of rain
    • February 49/40 degrees, 12 days of rain
    • March 52/42 degrees, 13 days of rain


    Seattle is about 15 degrees on average colder with more than twice the days of rain compared to Dallas.

    To answer your specific question, we do sometimes get snow flurries in April - it's rare, but has happened (either this year or last year). Arctic fronts tend to stay on the other side of the Cascades.

    Our bigger issue is the never ending rain that can hit us but we can also get fairly cold. This past January we had 17 days of rain. On Saturday, January 13 the high was 23 and the low was 12. Despite that, this was actually a very mild Winter for us, with the end of January consistently hitting 50 degrees.
     
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  11. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
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    DC United
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    United States
    I went up for a college visit to UW with my daughter and it was crisp, rainy, and misty near UW last winter. She loved it. Coming from SoCal she wanted weather but UW didn’t help with tuition enough. She went with Cal and Berkeley has wet winters as well so she should be okay. Go Bears!
     
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  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
    and welcome to the Atlantic Coast Conference!!!
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She chose the worse rowing school :D;)

    (For those of you unaware there's an 100+ year rivalry in rowing between Cal and Washington, some of that shows up in last year's Boys In The Boat movie)
     
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  14. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
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    DC United
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    United States
    She’s a gymnast (not quite D1 level but going to try and be a manager). Her brother rows. He also likes UW.
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has she said anything about Olivia Dunne specifically, or college gymnasts generally, how they are making money based on sex appeal rather than sporting interest?
     
  16. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd just like to say that I'm fine with that.
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Cool’n’all, but I’m assuming you’re not a female college gymnast.
     
  18. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And?
     
  19. scheck

    scheck Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a bit surprising to me that such a big piece seems to be missing in this discussion, and that's the transition in the first year. If youre looking to start a new season in August 2026, then what do you do for the first half of the year?

    Are we going to get an "MLS is back"-style short tournament for the first few months?
     
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  20. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    Have two shorter 6-months plus knock-out playoffs seasons with about two months off in between. Of course, the players would have to agree to it. But if they did, it is one option.

    February 2025 - mid August 2025

    November 2025 - late May 2025 (with a two-week break for Christmas)
     
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  21. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of us have already bought season tickets for a full 2025 season. They're not changing 2025.
     
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  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More importantly and impactfully, there are players under contract. They still need to get paid. With little to no revenue coming in for the first 8ish months of 2026..... that'll be an expensive pill for the owners to swallow. Something tells me that Fox, ESPN, CBS, etc. aren't going to pony up a substantial amount of money for a non-exclusive partial TV package......
     
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  23. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    There have been a ton of "cons" on this thread, but virtually zero "pros."
    Telling
     
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  24. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    Personally, other than aligning the transfer windows a bit better, I cannot think of a "pro" for this concept.
     
  25. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #125 ThreeApples, Nov 2, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2024
    I would assume if they do this change they will do a spring mini-season of some sort to bridge the the transition. It will be weird and nobody will like it, but it would be unavoidable.

    Contracts would be a troublesome matter for a while. There are already contracts that expire in December 2026, 2027, etc., and those don't automatically change just because the schedule format switches.
     
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