Lee YP at Tottenham 2007-2008 [r] Part 2

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  1. bobjones2

    bobjones2 Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    i just want to point out, we are talking about Lee Young Pyo here... he isn't going to be making nickels or dimes in K-league... or in Won terms... those tiny aluminium 1 won coins that floats on water...
     
  2. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I'm starting to wonder if LYP is hoping Ramos doesnt find defensive reinforcements and has to "settle" with keeping Lee on the roster.

    SkySports reported that Ramos is actively looking for forward and defensive reinforcements... but no names were dropped and there isnt much else from other sources.
     
  3. WipeyLee redded

    WipeyLee redded Red Card

    Sep 30, 2007
    Whatever Ramos says needs to be taken with a big grain of salt. If he indeed did tell these guys that they have no future at with the first team, then it shows how impulsive, whimsical, and arrogant he really is. I am betting my money that Lee outlasts Ramos. Spurs best two players have left already, and I don't think Lennon will be there for too much longer either, especially if he isn't given a regular starting place. Someone like Tainio would have been valuable to have, especially as he is very versatile and can help the defense, but he wasn't seen as adequate, so I must question Ramos' judgement.
    If Spurs don't qualify for UEFA Cup next year, and eventually get a CL spot then Ramos is surely going to have "no future at Spurs." I don't think Lee needs to worry about his future at all. He'll be back when Bale, Gilberto, and Assou-Ekotto all fizzle, as none of them can defend.
     
  4. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    In the mean time I will throughly enjoy every loss Tottenham collects. A club that has claimed CL and top four EPL aspirations continued to open the 08 09 season losing to a lower half of the table team.
     
  5. yimmy

    yimmy Moderator

    Aug 23, 2004
    California
    Dude, Lee's contract expires at the end of this season. I admire your optimism, but I highly doubt he'll outlast Ramos at Spurs.
     
  6. vagabondmd

    vagabondmd Member

    Feb 25, 2005
    ramos is a total idiot. i even bet against tottenham in the last game (but only 5 bucks) but made 35 when tottenham lost-you can see the odds of the games that ramos is losing. he is horrible. i am sure he'll get fired like jol soon.
     
  7. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Youve quickly established on these boards that you have a gambling problem.

    But Please tell me why Ramos is an idiot though. Because he's not using a countrymen for his defensive duties?

    Tell me what Lee did at Spurs that was so special that he warrants being kept at Spurs?

    Honestly (without denial like you), he didnt do shit that an average leftback couldve done. Ramos is not at fault for not falling in love with Lee YP.

    I liked the guy a lot in his earlier days and at PSV (try watching vids of him there as opposed to Spurs) and you'll see a vast world of difference. True....different systems, different quality of players, but Lee's confidence was through the roof back then and it clearly showed.
     
  8. WipeyLee redded

    WipeyLee redded Red Card

    Sep 30, 2007
    How short our memories are. Do you remember how well Spurs were doing during Lee's first two seasons there while Lee had so many responsibilities? Do you remember how much trouble they had defending the left side after he got injured? There wasn't only a much more porous defense, but there was much less offense too.

    I wonder how many games you saw him play under Jol. When a player gives a hundred percent every time he's out there, never shirks away from any duties, even when they would be overwhelming for almost any other athlete, and very seldom makes mistakes, then it warrants playing time, particularly when you don't have any better option for that position.

    And if Lee has lacked confidence for the past half year or so, let me ask you who arrived at Spurs then? A good coach can get the most out of his players. Hiddink knows how. Jol does too, but he was undermined by Commoli and Levy. It is undeniable that Lee was Spurs' most reliable defender for at least his first two and a half seasons at Spurs. The only game I remember where he really lacked confidence was during the last CL game under Ramos, but this was due to the fact that he was played as the final option when all other choices failed, and Lee by that point hadn't played in probably a month or so.
     
  9. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Really now? I can assure you my memory of Lee at Spurs is not short.

    I cant say I saw EVERY game that he played in with Spurs but I saw helluva of lot of them. ..probably like you or any other poster on these boards.

    True...he was missing a true midfield linkup throughout his career there and because of that his offensive motivations were lacking especially since his left foot went MIA in a lot of cases. You take away his offensive endeavors, and you have an average to good (on his best day) defender. Its simply not what he's known for. Moving the ball up is.

    I dont know about you but I saw a very timid Lee in the PL as opposed to his PSV days. He didnt move up as much especially near the twilight of his career there because he had no confidence. How many times did you see Keane or Berbatov going off on him for an errant cross??? I saw that a lot.

    Defensively, he chose to play VERY soft against attackers....letting them scoot into the box or damn near close to it, opening up several option on either side because defenders were forced to double team an incoming threat.

    I didnt like the way Lee was playing at Spurs and it definitely wasnt a demonstration of his better days.

    I cannot fault Ramos or anyone else for not keeping him. Hell...even Jol stopped using him as much near the end of his coaching career there.
     
  10. Elliad

    Elliad Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    Whoa, it doesn't take much to trash a player's hard work, does it?
     
  11. bobjones2

    bobjones2 Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    all i know is that the owner doesn't seem to like him, the manager doesn't seem to like him, and the fans don't seem to like him...

    we can go on and on about how great LYP is, but if he doesn't play, what's the point? From strictly a fan point of view, LYP is better off somewhere where he will be playing. I can't support an athlete who doesn't compete.
     
  12. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Every player in the EPL is subject to your statement. Its not ok to critique a guy now E?

    Just because Ive observed some differences in his confidence doesnt mean Im trashing the guy by the way. I feel like Im calling a spade a spade where as some here seem to see everything with rose tinted glasses on.
     
  13. WipeyLee redded

    WipeyLee redded Red Card

    Sep 30, 2007
    You are actually distorting reality. You evaded the questions that I posed you. And defensively, he was actually not much different with Spurs than with PSV. He was just much busier defensively because of many factors. And when a player has so many attacking and defending duties, one of them, if not both, will inevitably be shortchanged.

    And it is a rather predictable criticism of Lee that he can't cross. But he couldn't with PSV either. Nevertheless, he helped PSV's winning cause in so many other ways, and he did the same with Spurs for two seasons.

    Last season, as you recall, he was recovering from a somewhat lengthy injury, but he didn't get adequate playing time to fully recover his conditioning. So of course he couldn't be expected to play at his optimal level without adequate conditioning.

    If the management of Spurs are honest, they will admit that cracking into the Big Four was always a lofty expectation. And yet they almost acheived that in Lee's first season, and Lee deserves much of the credit for that as he kept the defense solid on his side of the field.

    Now Spurs have players like Bale who can cross from the left side. Are those crosses resulting in goals? Are they winning now?

    At PSV, he was able to make up for his crossing deficiencies by finding players like Vennegoor von Hesselink, or midfielders such as Cocu or Van Bommel advancing into the box. I believe he was second in assists in his last season at PSV, with about a dozen. It is obvious that Spurs neither have a consistent aerial threat or midfielders that a willing to get on the end of crosses.
     
  14. dma36

    dma36 New Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    YLee got it right. His confidence is not the problem.
    Lee adapted to Spurs and it appears he lacks the confidence. When he started playing mostly defense for Spurs ( i think his second year with Spurs), he started more and played more. I don't know if he was told to or just adapted to Spurs.
    I do play LB and RB time to time. I do bring the ball up, but ONLY when there is a cover. Lee said in his interview, he wants to play attacking football, but there is no cover for him. No cover, no attack. If you take away attacking football from Lee, Kim Dong Jin and Bale is better option for Spurs. Take attacking football away from lee, he may appear average. This is kinda like telling Kobe, defense, pass then shoot... because that is what the team needs (This is true for Lakers). Kobe just may look average..
     
  15. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Don't wanna sound like a bigger Kobe fanboy than I already am, but Kobe's actually a phenominal defender. If the Lakers had someone else who can score 30+ pts on any given night, Kobe will play as the defensive specialist and still be able to take over games. That's pretty much what happened in the Olympics.
     
  16. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I dont think dma is questioning Kobe's defensive abilities. I think his point is Kobe wouldnt be the star that he is if the Lakers had another go to scoring option and had asked Kobe to just focus on defense.
     
  17. yimmy

    yimmy Moderator

    Aug 23, 2004
    California
    Guys this is about Lee YP, please don't turn this into another Kobe circle jerk thread.
     
  18. bobjones2

    bobjones2 Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    what's the point... they aren't going to give LYP cover are they? it appears they aren't going to build the team around lee youngpyo... it just frustrates me that he is in this team which aren't going anywhere.
     
  19. jizzle

    jizzle Member

    FC Seoul
    South Korea
    Feb 10, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic

    Hehe I think a better comparison that actually happened in a basketball perspective is how Chris Bosh was used in this year's Olympics. The dude can score. He's the best scoring big man on the team, with a mid range J(which is a huge plus in international basketball). But instead he was asked to play out of position at center, and play as a defensive player, plainly focussing on rebounding, shot blocking etc because nobody else on the team was good enough to do that role except for Dwight Howard.

    When he got the ball, he made smart plays and shot at a high percentage. However, D-Wade, Kobe, Carmelo and Lebron were the focal points of the offense.

    But anyway, getting back to Lee Young Pyo. The transfer window is closing soon. If he still wanted to live in London, I reckon the best option from his perspective may be Fulham, because of Seol Ki Hyeon, LG and New Malden. Of course, it's not as simple as that, but meh...
     
  20. vagabondmd

    vagabondmd Member

    Feb 25, 2005
    i wonder who tottenham will blame for being a shlt team now that lee yp their scape goat is gone.
     
  21. Paganitzu

    Paganitzu Member+

    Aug 16, 2006
    San Diego
    Club:
    PSV Eindhoven
    Lee to Dortmunt!

    Good luck Lee!
     
  22. Randomized

    Randomized Member

    Feb 18, 2005
  23. yimmy

    yimmy Moderator

    Aug 23, 2004
    California
    I hope Lee does well in Germany.

    someone started a new thread for him here
     

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