Latest poll has Kerry out front in Ohio

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  1. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    Believing any polls before September iss like chasing will-o-wisps, so take it for what it is:

    Poll: Kerry edges ahead of Bush in Ohio

    The good news here from Kerry's standpoint is that Bush just spent some time and a lot of money in Ohio, neither of which did anything to help him. Kerry was there at roughly the same time and dropped a load of cash himself, so in their first head-to-head matchup, Kerry looks like the winner.

    Bush won't win the election without Ohio, so expect to see him or Cheney spend some time there, once again, in the immediate future.
     
  2. ratdog

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    First the Crew start sucking like Tera Patrick and now this. Someone please keep Bill Archer away from sharp objects for his own good.
     
  3. domingo

    domingo Member

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    Is Ohio a key state for the elections? Really?
     
  4. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    No Republican has ever won without carrying Ohio.
     
  5. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Well, its the 7th most populous state, IIRC, so yeah.
     
  6. Excape Goat

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    Last week, the Econimics said that Bush will win Ohio because he needs to win oin Ohioa dnd will do anything to win it. No Republican ever win the election without taking Ohio according to the article or no modern Republican I really forgot). Kerry might even skip the state to work on elsewhere.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    And the three biggest states are locked up for one party or the other...so, it's #4 in terms of competitive states.
     
  8. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    And the difference between #2 and #4 is about 2 electoral votes.

    Ohio is also important because its usually the indicator of the whole election. Its hard not to take Ohio and win. I think Ohio has voted for the winning candidate for the last 50 years or so, although I could be wrong on that one.
     
  9. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    Doesn't look like it so far. In fact it looks like the rust belt (western Pa., WVa., Ohio, Michigan) is where Kerry's decided to spend most of his time. According to the polls, that's paying off.

    He could change his strategy later if Florida or Missouri or perhaps Louisiana open up, but I doubt it.
     
  10. SoFla Metro

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    Jul 21, 2000
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    If, as the election nears, polls show Kerry leading or very close to Bush there's no way he skips it. He will make Bush, at the very least, dump time and resources into a state that the GOP had to consider "safe."
     
  11. Matrim55

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    I don't know about that. Missouri, however, has gone to the winner in 24 of the last 25 elections. Something tells me Gephardt's people bring that up a lot in Veep discussions.
     
  12. Matrim55

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    Why would the GOP ever have considered Ohio "safe"? That would be like the dems putting Pennsylvania into the "safe" column.
     
  13. obie

    obie New Member

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    Ohio's a "nice to have" state for Kerry, not a "must have". It's an absolute "must have" for Bush. It has 20 electoral votes, and if he loses them he has to make up for them somewhere else - the most likely place would probably be Pennsylvania, though it doesn't appear from his early campaign schedule that Rove even considers PA competitive.
     
  14. Excape Goat

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    Do you mean Texas, California and NY? Basically, everyone thinks California will go to Kerry, but I read a few predictions that Arnold might bring California to Bush because the economy is getting better. But then, I also saw mixed results on Florida. But I do agree that Ohio is one of the most important state left in the battle along with Pennsylvania.
     
  15. Excape Goat

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    It was from the Economic article, not my opinion I think Gore skipped it in the last minute 4 years ago. If I am Kerry, I will concentrate in Ohio because Bush needs it.
     
  16. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    The problem is that if Ohio goes Democrat, its almost certain Pennsylvania has gone Democrat as well.
     
  17. ratdog

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    Given how close this election is likely to be, are ANY states that are "in play" really expendable, let alone Ohio? It will be very interesting to see what voting shenanigans happen in Florida this time around.
     
  18. Matt in the Hat

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    If there was even a remote chance that California would go for Bush he would move the Crawford ranch to Temecula tomorrow. 52 electoral votes is nothing to sneeze at if you can have them.

    Arnold is not the type of Republican that the Neo-Cons like to associate with. He is refered to as a RINO (republican in name only) by those jackoffs
     
  19. Barbara

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    Wowsers. A 7-point lead whether or not Nader's in the mix. That's an impressive difference.
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

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    Well as of now, they are supposed to use the Diebold machines come November. Bet on it
     
  21. SoFla Metro

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    I didn't have any coffee this morning. Leave me alone.

    :D
     
  22. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

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    Using Gore's last minute strategy book only works if you don't want to win.
     
  23. SoFla Metro

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    FYI there was an article in the NY Times earlier this week that suggested that the GOP thinks the following state might be in play: New Jersey.
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

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    New York is more in play than New Jersey.
     
  25. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    Speaking of Ralph, did anyone see this interesting piece of... well, I'd call it science fiction, but from what I understand it's true. Science fact, I guess. So, in the "truth is stranger than fiction" award of the week, we have the Reform Party endorsing Ralph Nader.

    WTF?

    My guess is that puts him on the ballot in some swing states. It's the only logical explanation.
     

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