Land+Nation

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by salyal, Dec 4, 2004.

  1. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    No right of return. No mention of Jerusalem. Apartheid.

    How generous.
     
  2. DynamoKiev_USA

    DynamoKiev_USA New Member

    Jul 6, 2003
    Silver Spring, MD
  3. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    why does the world care about a patch of dirt that is hot,rocky and pretty much barren?

    seriously , who freaking cares.Its time Israel and "Palestine" stopped being Americas Foriegn policy priority.

    Its time we cut off aid to Egypt, Israel and Jordan...then we can let Israel take the gloves off.
    any dirty goat herders who ******** with them they can bomb the SOB's back to Torah times...
    * for those who say Israel needs aid.. Let the European and American jewish communites give as much aid as they want.. its time for the US govt. to quit subsidizing them*
     
  4. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I agree, and they ARE doing it. Sharon has rammed through his plan to evacuate all the Gaza settlers.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    I'm trying to get my head around the idea that what the Middle East needs is more violence. Care to elaborate?
     
  6. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    I think that's great, but haven't there been some signals that perhaps this is a move to scuttle any removal of the settlements from the West Bank? Or is that just rumor? I really don't know, I'd love to hear that it isn't true.
     
  7. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    who are you going to punch

    the guy whos buddy is holding his arm back or
    the guy whos buddy isnt holding his arm back.

    The arabs attack because there is no real punishment.
     
  8. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    Without suggesting that the IDF in general shows a lot more restraint and civilized behavior than suicide bombers do, I'm not so sure that the residents of recently-bulldozed homes in the West Bank would agree with you. Just for an example.
     
  9. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    More power to the ole bastard. Let's hope it's done.
     
  10. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    In a related development, Dan Rather and Mary Mapes are working on a blockbuster report for 60 minutes which outlines the secret conspiracy of jews documented in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

    Rather said "It doesn't matter if the 'Protocols' are a forgery, we still know the story to be true. But our experts have authenticated the 'Protocols' faxed to us"
     
  11. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I hadn't heard that. Doesn't mean its not true, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes. I think even Sharon is starting to recognize that letting the Palestinians live in the occupied West Bank will lead to a true crisis around 2035 when Arabs outnumber Israelis, at which point they'll simply demand voting rights and one nation. Then, Israel would REALLY be hard pressed not to succumb to international pressure, and the idea of Israel would be destroyed within one day.
    I do not want Israel to become the next Lebanon with a careful and artificial government by disparate groups. Nor do I want Israel to end up like the Maronites.
     
  12. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    They were already beaten to it by a Syrian television production company who unveiled their "documentary" over Ramadan, citing works by such intellectual luminaries as Herr Heinrich Ford.
     
  13. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Generous, meaning that Israel will still exist. Whatever.
     
  14. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    But who watches Syrian TV? I'll bet that they broadcast in some gibberish language like arabic.
     
  15. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I am curious, just how do you plan on retaining Israel as a sovereign state if you allow a right of return? Incidentally, why does everyone forget that after the intial Arab Israeli war a limited right of return was granted?

    Funny, I don't see a detailed discussion on Hebron either.

    Eh?

    The Arabs letting the Jews keep a tiny bit of sand in the middle east the size of Connecticut without killing them all. How generous. (And what will they do for land??)
     
  16. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    What's going on? Are the mods going yellow card crazy or something? How come you got a yellow card? Did they take my advice and give verybdog carding privelege for a day?
     
  17. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Yeah, they showed it in Egypt for Ramadan, which I think is Arabic for "sweeps month".
     
  18. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    No man - its the style of the day. Makes me look cooooool.
     
  19. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Try cutting off those silly jewish curlylocks. That's why the Arabs are so implacable toward Israel, they figure that nobody who looks like that could be very tough.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    It's a tough bind. I don't want to play into the hands of crude so-called "anti-Zionists," but I just wonder how feasible the idea of a Jewish state is anymore. Once the outside threats from hostile Arab states and the threat of terrorism is removed (a fella can dream), it will be interested to see how the most democratic and secular state in the Middle East copes with having an ethnic/religious identity.

    I'm not trying to be provacative or shifting the terms of debate. Just thinking out loud.
     
  21. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    And there was that time Ehud Barak dressed up like a woman. Of course, he also killed 5 guys that day. We got tough women.
     
  22. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Its a very legitimate questions that I think too many in Israel don't want to ask. I've always said that the moment Israel found a vast reserve of oil in its territory and joined OPEC most hostility toward Jews would cease.
    I guess its too late to make Manhattan the new Israel officially. Ah well.
     
  23. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    Ah, so you've met my grandma.
     
  24. DynamoKiev_USA

    DynamoKiev_USA New Member

    Jul 6, 2003
    Silver Spring, MD
    After the outside threat will be, one day, gone, the Israeli society will continue like any other. Israel's identity lies in not only being a home for the Jews, but also in being a vibrant diverse society in a region that is anything but. I think that Israelis tend to overdramatize the divisions in their country -- I think that the country is becoming more of a "normal" country with problems like crime and poverty and ethnic divisions... as opposed to the idealistic spirit of its early years... But I don't think these are existential issues.
     
  25. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    I hope you're right--and I'm in no position to argue--but I've read otherwise.
     

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