LA: possible league "champions"

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by saabrian, Nov 5, 2003.

  1. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playoffs force a team to prove they can win in pressure situations as well as over the long haul (not that anyone on SJ has a problem stepping up in big games...).

    Playoffs force a coach to manage personnel to try to minimize injuries/exhaustion at the end of the season (see late 1980's Boston Celtics).

    Playoffs compensate for a couple of teams to be absolutely awful, allowing other teams to beat up on them and look better than they really are.
     
  2. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    Team

    http://www.mlsnet.com/statistics/

    Crap conference? Total up the points.
     
  3. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
  4. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I should be glad about the home and home series since the fire won 2-0 on the road in dc but as far as la-sj series goes, La didn't deserve a home game against the conference leader who had to do it all season. I know why MLS has it but it still cheapens the regular season by having home and home series.
    I don't like playoff games where basically it is not do or die. You are basically making it a 180 minute game with the first game the first half.
     
  5. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: LA: possible league "champions"

    LA finished ahead of Dallas. Hell, if Dallas really sucked and go no points at all, LA would have qualified for the playoff simply by getting their first tie.

    Oh yeah, and don't forget that last time NE played in a final out here.
     
  6. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    My point was that the league shifts from year to year... You don't see me dismissing western conference teams and saying that the Western Conference is the crap conference this year.
    Furthermore, if you're going to cast aside revs for being at the top of the "crap conference" in 2002, what does that say about the Galaxy for being at the low end of the low conference this year?
     
  7. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Re: Re: Re: LA: possible league "champions"

    After a months layoff? In front of a crowd of about 492 Angelenos?

    What are you getting at?
     
  8. cj herrera

    cj herrera New Member

    May 7, 1999
    Oakland, damn straig
    When I was much younger and not quite the refined and cosmopolitan gent I am today, I fancied a bit of pointy ball. Oh, how I adored the Raiders of my youth—John Matuzak, Kenny Stabler and Jim Plunkett, Cliff Branch and Freddie Biletnikoff.

    In 1981, this ragtag bunch of ragamuffins defied the odds and became the first wildcard team to win the Super Bowl (!).

    “Outrage,” cried the purists.
    “Balderdash,” whinnied the pundits.

    Ahhh, but America LOVES the underdog. It’s our tradition. Our heritage. It’s the whole-taxation-without-representation, kick-the-crap-outta-the-Lobsterbacks thing all over again.

    And that, my friends, is how the Raiders became America’s team.

    So you see, when the LA Galaxy hoist the MLS Cup in their beautiful, state-of-the-art, national jewel of a home stadium — fully enjoying all the benefits of home field advantage — and rightfully reclaim their title as league champions — because they ARE league champions as we speak — they will actually be the underdogs.

    And when they win, they will be fulfilling America’s dreams of the underdog prevailing. They, too, will be America’s team. Uniting — not dividing — the nation in this time of need.

    Oh dear BigSoccer colleagues, won’t you join us? Won’t you, too, root for America’s team? We can all be the Bela Karolyi to Pescadito’s dream.

    Say it with me: “You can DO eeet!”
     
  9. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Re: LA: possible league "champions"

    Scoreboard.

    A months layoff is no excuse. Nothing was stopping the team from setting up a friendly or two to keep them ready. Besides, is it LA's fault they didn't make the playoffs that year?

    A small turn out should have made it that less difficult for NE to get a result.
     
  10. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    LA will become America's team about the same time Kimberly Kreis stops fellatiating the visiting forward tandems at halftime on each trip to Big D.
     
  11. saabrian

    saabrian Member

    Mar 25, 2002
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you want to look at it in purely business terms...

    "MLS is just another ENTERTAINMENT product. That's all it's being tweaked to be. If you think otherwise, go back to your Playstation."

    Indeed. And when a business, even an entertainment one, has a large percentage of its most loyal customers saying "the structure of the product needs to be different" then it's something to consider.

    Now I know that a few guys on Big Soccer doesn't constitute an accurate cross-section of all MLS fans. But your most loyal, rabid supporters (customers) tend to be found here. If you're pissing off your natural fan (customer) base, how does that bode for attracting the casual fan (customer)? If you have trouble retaining the loyalty of those who WANT to be loyal...

    I'd venture to say that the historical average attendance figure at MLS playoff games (MLS Cup finals excluded) is much lower than the average attendance at regular season games. When your highest quality (or most attractive, anyway) product, playoff soccer in this case, gets lower customer response, then maybe it's time to look at the business model.
     
  12. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, we wouldn't want to stop that now, would we?
     
  13. jscott23

    jscott23 Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jan 24, 2003
    Poway, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where the fvck does an a$$hole like you get off talking about a players wife like this? You need to go back to class Sparky and find some.

    Better yet, come to LA for the Cup final and I'm sure we could teach you some manners, but wait, daddy's college fund probably doesn't stretch that far, what with porn sites and Vaseline cutting into your beer money.
     
  14. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the point of this thread was that it looks pretty bad when the team that is crowned the champion of our league finished with the second worst record and never won an away game.

    I don't think it was meant to bash the Galaxy (although that's always a welcome addition to any thread).
     
  15. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think that is a really simplistic viewpoint. It negates the fact that the Galaxy, as reigning champs, is actually a decent squad that is clobbering the Western Conference Champions.

    What's implied is that SJ deserves to go onto the next round, and that a "better" team "deserves" to win the Cup. This is absurd.

    Whereas in an ideal playoff world, the playoffs would only have 4 teams, whereas in an ideal world I wouldn't have to sleep on the wet spot, we live in the REAL world. In order to get the job done, ppl need to come through in the end. so I sleep on the wet spot, and the Galaxy does what it takes to make it to the plaoffs.

    It's not the Galaxy's fault that Dallas sucks. And it sure as hell isn't their fault that SJ didn't care about the Supporter's Shield nor in personal pride, so they coasted to the playoffs. That's their moronic mistake.

    I hope that Chicago and the Galaxy make it to the final, and that the Galaxy wins. it would be hysterical that all the BS posters would have a fit b/c LA doesn't "deserve" the title. But I repeat what I said earlier: the team that wins the title, deserves to win the title.
     
  16. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I say that when it's all said and done I will realize that the Galaxy were the 9th best team in the league and couldn't get it done anywhere but home.

    It would be great to see them win the "Cup" as it would probably turn out to be a great atmosphere at the HDC, but as far as I'm concerned they coasted through the season and if I was a Galaxy supporter I would be pretty pissed that they slacked off half of the season.

    The league needs to do something to reward teams that play better in the regular season.
     
  17. cosmojado

    cosmojado Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    in sin
    If LA wins it all then all the Chi and SJ fans can contact Sacramento Kings fans to ask them where they got their "The Real NBA champs" t-shirts.
     
  18. cosmojado

    cosmojado Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    in sin
    uh...........supporter shield? Like it was posted before, maybe people should care about it.
     
  19. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Uh oh. I've made someone mad.

    I'm definitely going to be there. Regardless of whether we make the final or not. I've already purchased my plane and match tickets. Of course, you wouldn't know or care about that, would you? Not that I give two shits about some honky Galaxy fan.

    Two more things,

    One, you're an El Lay fan. What the heck do you care what I have to say about Dallas?

    Two, I've been bashing The Kreis Child since time began...well, since 98 at least. Where have you been?

    You just be happy I haven't decided to sic Segroves on you.
     
  20. saabrian

    saabrian Member

    Mar 25, 2002
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The San Antonio Spurs had an excellent regular season. They even won a number of road games!!

    Chill out. My post wasn't intended to bash LA. Just to ridicule the idea that the system could produce a champion that didn't win away from home game all season. I challenge to you find the last time that happened in any professional league in any sport in any country.

    If that happens, they will be the official champions. No one will dispute that. No doubt some will say they are undeserving. That's their prerogative. Just as it's yours to say "Who cares?"

    I won't be bitter if LA beats San Jose. Actually, it would make me look prescient since I picked LA to win the west before the playoffs started. Though I'd prefer it if they beat KC/Colorado in the semis.

    Besides, I'd love it for New England (who were almost official, if undeserving, champs last year) to beat LA in their barn like they beat us in ours.
     
  21. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    I'm surprised it took this long for you to get heat for that one! Some people just take sh!t too seriously.
     
  22. cosmojado

    cosmojado Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    in sin
    its all cool, didn't think you were bashing

    its the whiners I was getting at

    they all seem to be crying unfair, but when it comes down to it they SHOULD be able to beat LA, and when they don't then what do they say? it must be the system, because teams don't choke in the playoffs do they?
     
  23. dlm_Fire

    dlm_Fire Member

    Aug 16, 2002
    Chicago
    Guess Faria sort of settled this pipe dream for all of us, eh?
     
  24. lplaksina

    lplaksina Member

    Jan 5, 2002

    For all your youthful learning it appears that you missed one of lifes most painful lessons. That being the constrain required to not count those eggs before they're hatched. But I think you did learn one lesson tonight. That even group choking is possible.

    :)
     

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