http://www.mlsnet.com/content/03/la0221lamanga.html Wow, wonderful ref. Anybody have a link to the tournament site? Borodin's not Ovchinnikov anyway, so whatever. Prof
Assuming that's sarcasm, you can tell the ref did a good/bad job from a press release, and without seeing the game? Brilliant.
I'm a ref. A deliberate handball is not a red card, unless it denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity. Most chances outside of the box are not considered obvious goal-scoring opportunities. Therefore, there should have been no red card, which would have kept Torpedo's keeper in the game. That would directly affect the result, since most (I say most, not all) backup keepers aren't on the same level of prowess as their starters. LA probably still would have won the game, but not 3-0. Prof
Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't a lone striker with the ball on a one-on-one sitiuation with a goalkeeper considered a "goal-scoring opportunity" ??
Exactly my point. Here is the quote from press reports: "In the 34th minute, Torpedo goalkeeper Dmitry Borodin was called for a handball outside the box as he attempted to stop a one-on-one with Alejandro Moreno." So two goals are scored on a 11-men team in 35 minutes. Who is to say two or three more could not have been scored in the final 55 minutes even with their full 11-men squad? Please Prof, don't try to taint the win in any way!
I find it funny that we have the ability to shred referees in games that we couldn't possibly have seen. I've seen it all on Bigsoccer now.
With all due respect, you don't have much of a leg to stand on here.. Any goalkeeper who deliberately handles the ball outside the penalty area receives a red card.. I can't ever recall once where a keeper was kept on the field after such an incident.. Your argument would have made more sense had it been a field player involved, but if it's a keeper, he's sent off every time for the offense..
If I may pile on here... Professor, can you please describe a play in which a GK is outside the box and handles it in a one-on-one with an attacker, and it's NOT a DOGSO? The only way I can imagine that happening is if a defender is nearby enough that he can harass the attacker, but in that case, the GK is a complete moron for committing the foul. He ought to be redcarded for bringing the game into disrepute with his stupid play.
I wanted to let this thread die, but: 1. The attacker is not moving directly toward goal. He could be backtracking to find another attacker to pass the ball to, because there would be an open net at that point in time. 2. It may depend on where outside the box the situation is. If the defense is making a last-gasp effort, with every player (including the GK) up, and the keep grabs the ball, I don't think it's a straight red; there's no DOGSO. 3. If "outside the box" is off to the side. The angle itself might be too great to put a shot on goal. This one's the most of a judgment call. If the ref believes that the attacker could not have put an accurate shot on goal from where he is as a result of where he is, then it's not a DOGSO. Prof
DUDE! did you even SEE the replay!?!? If so..PLEASE tell me where I could view it... Let. It. GO! You have 113 post. You have used at least half of those on the six threads you have started about this...would you like some cheese with that whine?
I'm trying to. Someone asked me a valid question I thought I could answer without going back into it. And besides, I've only devoted a quarter of my posts to it. I'm done now. Prof
"The Los Angeles Galaxy earned its second consecutive shutout victory by defeating Russian club Torpedo Moscow, 3-0, to secure first place in Group B at La Manga Cup 2003. La Manga Cup 2003 - Standings Group B: (1) L.A. Galaxy - 6 pts. (2 games) (2) Odd Grenland - 4 pts. (2 games) (3) Torpedo Moscow - 1 pt. (2 games) (4) Lyn Oslo - 0 pts. (2 games)" LA Galaxy are in first place. They haven't won the group yet. However, it's nice to see them doing so well against Euro sides.
I think President Bush had something to do with it. There are rumors to the effect that the ref was bought with US dollars. ___________________________________________ "ESPN ratings for soccer suck because they can't do a decent job of presenting the sport" - quinella box, on 2/17/03