Kylian Mbappe, Welcome to Arsenal! - Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

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  1. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
    Our record sale is Oxlade-Chamberlain still, and Anelka is #2.

    Part of it is on Edu and friends, but part of it is also on Arteta - we really don't do a good job of showcasing fringe players to maximize their value. It's always very clear who we're trying to get rid of, so why would any other clubs pay up for guys we obviously don't want?

    It's frankly shocking how much we got for ESR given how little he played over the last 2 years.
     
  2. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This club has been horrible selling players for well over a decade - since Wenger no longer had to sell players at steep profits to fund the new stadium.

    I'm not defending Edu, but we have to consider all the dross he had to unload right away when he came. Said differently, I can't think of any outgoing deals we can say he's botched.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well sure - but that is the problem when you are a top side.

    Unless you are moving out guys who are actually good, there won't be much market for your unwanted players.

    The players we are looking to unload are mostly journeymen, so there is also no point selling them unless we can get someone better
     
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  4. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Senior roster spots may play into the need to sell before adding. With Nketiah still at the club they have 9 senior homegrown players and counting Tierney 15 non homegrown players, so they have room to add Merino, but after that, unless they are comfortable carrying players they can’t register, they have to move senior players out before they can add senior incomings.

    In addition, when evaluating Arsenal’s transfer business it should be noted that with Calafiori, Arsenal have added more senior players than Man City and Liverpool combined. There aren’t a lot of players available that would significantly improve any of the top three and those that would improve Arsenal, City, or Liverpool are prohibitively expensive.
     
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  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Arsenal FC
    I think the hate for Arsenal somehow being bad at selling players is unreasonable as well. Are you somehow going to create a market for Reiss Nelson where none existed before?

    Where I do think there's room to quibble is that we haven't loaned out such players when they needed loans. ESR should absolutely have been loaned out last season. Not to maximize sale value, but to make sure he developed as a player. Loans are fickle, but that's something Edu and the Kroenkes need to figure out. Maybe the solution is buying a lower table La Liga team (like what Man City to do with Girona). Or loaning the fringe 20-21 year old players to the Rapids so that they can play.
     
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  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
    I mean, yeah, by doing what you mention in the second paragraph. Nelson's career high in league minutes is 910 for Feyenoord in 2021-22. Either play him more at Arsenal or send him out to somewhere that he can play more than 250 minutes a year.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    agreed.
     
  8. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Not exactly what Ornstein said. The exact quote from his Tweet......



    So he's saying that we "likely" need another sale at some point but it's not a requirement that will scuttle the Merino deal. Also, since this came out James McNicholas and Tom Canton and probably someone else I'm forgetting have said we're not in any danger of violating PSR, and the Ornstein comment reflects the club's preference but not a mandate.
     
  9. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Sorry, I was going off memory and left out the "likely". But I did note that PSR is not the constraint.

    I actually think adding the "likely" supports my theory. @casoccerdad47 noted roster limits but they have a spare slot and so they don't have to sell before adding Merino. Besides, they still have until the end of the window.

    So what is the reason? I has to be an artificial constraint by ownership. Either a return to the sustainability model or at least a desire to see sales before they invest more.
     
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  10. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even if you’re not bumping up against registration limits there can still be a point where you’ve got to move players out so that particular room isn’t so crowded, especially if it’s a room with a bunch of declining players in it.
     
  11. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    If the difference for selling Nketiah to Marseille was 5mil and we turned down a 25mil bid with sell on holding out for a 30mil bid, well thats also something else to factor in.
     
  12. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We don’t know any of that, tho.
     
  13. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    United States
    seeing a number of claims that Merino will be wrapped this weekend
     
  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Easily the most opaque aspect of the club's machinations. Even with guys like Ornstein reporting (and btw, I think his sources at the club have either left or have become more circumspect the last two years), we know less than 10 percent of what's actually going on.
     
  15. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I don’t think he really had “sources.” Just that he wrote what the club wanted out there.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    honigstein used to joke about this.

    he’d be accused of leaking rumours which Bayern management had briefed him on.
     
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  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    The three men pretending to be a horse also said that Ornstein wrote what he was told to.
     
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  18. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I'm really surprised that there hasn't been serious interest reported in Ramsdale. As our most saleable asset, you would think he is good enough to improve lots of teams. You'd nearly get the feeling that clubs think it's unfashionable to give Arsenal money at times :confused:
     
  19. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
     
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  20. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Romano says that we are prepping to acquire a #2 GK leading many to believe that we have found a buyer for Rams or have changed our stance on a loan.
     
  21. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    The target for #2 is apparently Joan Garcia who has a €25m release clause that will increase to €30m this week. Could be the reason for urgency, but would also think he could be had for less than that.
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If we spend that much on a backup ********ing goalkeeper...

    Guess how much City spent on Ortega?
     
  23. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liverpool trying to spend 40 on a GK that they are gonna immediately loan out to Bournemouth
     
  24. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just looked up his Wiki. He’s at Espanyol. Been on senior team for 3+ years. Wears #1 shirt. Yethas only 17 appearances over that time

    So it appears that he’s not actually their #1 choice keeper. Or he’s been injured a lot. What’s the word on Joan Garcia?
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    why are we taking so long to buy a merino?
     

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