"Kroos'ing to la undécima"- The Official Welcome Toni Kroos Thread

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  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    It's incredibly bitter for the club to send healthy players off to the national teams, and you keep paying him while he's gone, when he injures himself there you start to question the practice, or you don't because it's all a matter of coincidence and bad luck. But to send a healthy player away and see him return injured for two months up to six, that's just bitter.

    There's injuries during the entire year but towards the end of the year you just notice it that longer harder injuries come along. At some point you have to pay for a year like that. Long term you're ruining your best players, the reason people pay tickets and come to watch the team. That's just the result of the current situation and it will not improve, more likely become worse. We have to push the discussion towards somehow having less games on the schedule, otherwise those injuries will become the standard.

    From the latest pod. I feel like players should unionize.
     
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  2. Bear Crotch

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    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
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    Having a winter WC and we're seeing some major injuries for a lot of teams. I'm not a doctor but this isn't rocket science.
     
  3. dooda

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  4. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Busquets and Alves popping up at the wildest places man.
     
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  5. temesgen

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    Jun 27, 2004
    the club has been living rent free in pique's mind for so long it almost seems fair
     
  6. ImadEdd

    ImadEdd Member+

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    Feb 17, 2019
    How many players have played in the World Cup?
    How many of them are injured now?
    For how long? Is it for longer periods, the same, or less than previous injuries?
    How many long-time injured players now have NOT played in the World Cup and got a month of mid-season vacation?
    How many games did these injured players play last season? This season? Etc etc etc

    And these are only a few questions to establish a semblance of causality or explanatory power... So yeah, it is kind of rocket science if you compare it to the way you reduced the whole debate.

    I'd argue a summer World Cup is more damaging to a player who doesn't get enough vacation and doesn't get to fully prepare for the new season with his team.
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    The players barely had a summer vacation because it was shortened to compensate for the extended schedule of the world cup, but I agree that we need conclusive numbers and analysis instead of "well damn, it's this stuff" based on our own opinion.

    Kroos said his retirement from the national team gave him the break he needed. This is also something people forget, 20 minutes less is nothing. You're not going to get "accumulative rest" from playing 20 minutes less here and there. If we'd want players to be rested we'd give them two weeks off and a schedule where they only stay fit.

    Completely unrealistic, so blasting through it is.

    It's the same with injuries. Every sports doctor and physio will tell you they can try to get players healthy but the priority is to get them on the field somehow.
     
  8. MiamiNative0722

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    May 25, 2013
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  9. Bear Crotch

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    Jan 2, 2008
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    He's been very good this season.
     
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  10. Excape Goat

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  11. MiamiNative0722

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    May 25, 2013
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    I think we should all hope and expect that he’s going to stay a bit longer
     
  12. Raul-7

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    Aug 17, 2006
    Agreed; Kroos needs a 1-year extension. He offers something none of our current players possess. We will definitely lose a lot once he retires or leaves RM.
     
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  13. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    Kroos is still an elite player when surrounded by fast and athletic players. I hope he stays for another year.
     
  14. Lyra

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    Apr 29, 2013
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  15. J-Mezzy

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    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    Is he staying?
     
  16. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    100% renewing given the season he's having. Likely to join German NT for Euro 2024 as well.
     
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  17. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

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    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    I thought he made it clear he retired from NT football
     
  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    A lot of people in the team and the federation don't want him back either. That's the rumor right now.
     
  19. rrrrrafik

    rrrrrafik Member

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    Aug 26, 2007
    London
    Why not? Because he left in the first place?
     
  20. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Some players simply don't like each other.
     
  21. RoadMan

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    Jul 28, 2009
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    Can you please explain a bit more about what is happening inside German NT? Thx
     
  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    There's a personal element that people feel like he abandoned the team, and there's the football element where him and Gundogan never worked out together.

    To be fair I don't want him back on the national team either.

    I think leaving the national team should be a permanent decision.
     
  23. russian hattie

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    Feb 5, 2006
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    England
    It was mentioned somewhere here that as great as our younger midfielders are, we don’t really have anyone with a similar profile to Kroos. We are so fortune to go from Xabi Alonso, to having Toni Kroos. And I don’t know if there is a player out there that could do what those two did. It’s probably the one worry I have for our future midfield. Who is going to be the one the control and dictate things?
     
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  24. Serengeti_Boy

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    Sep 15, 2009
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    Madrid succession planning is insane. From Keylor to Courtois, Ramos to Militao, Case to Tchou/Cama, Madrid to Jude next.

    How long can Perez be president? Is there a limit or the general time frame most fans think he'll hang his presidential boots?
     
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  25. zizou555

    zizou555 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 4, 2007
    Newcastle Upon Tyne
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    i believe he will probably die in office like our other goat president. Unless he goes senile before that.
     
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