I know I must be dreaming this, but I swear they showed his mug on the big screen. Could he look any less interested? The biggest night in REvs history and they start the night by screwing up the gates, forcing long lines. The wait was well worth it, best game all year,,,Walde, played his ass off. I actually saw Kraft shake Walde's hand after the game....BUt Kraft looked like he was thinking "I hope they don't mess up the field for my boys tomorrow!" Great game, great fans, great night, terrible owner.
They showed him after the game on the telecast and he seemed genuinely happy. Certainly not Vince Lombardi Trophy happy, but sincerely pleased.
I saw Mr. Kraft chatting with Adin Brown after the game, while Twellman was picking up his awards. I imagine he was saying something about Adin being big enough to play for the Patriots. I think we should cut Mr. Kraft a break. He had open heart surgery not long ago, and he's got a home Patriots game today. He probably could have used a restful evening. Let's be glad he was there and showed interest in the Revs.
My sentiments exactly!! (Though I wasn't there last night). Let's all enjoy this moment and let the team play on with the kind of support and good will they (and the ownership and the staff) deserve. It has been a tough year, but a lot of moves were made by an interested management group and they are beginning to pan out...let's leave it at that.
Let's remember that the moves were made mostly by Todd Smith and they deliberatly went around his back when firing his staff. Cut MR. Kraft a break............I don't f@$#% think so. My gut still tells me they are pulling out. Bravo to Todd, the team, and his staff (present and ex), and the fans, they are the ones who deserve all the credit.
do not cut kraft a break. he was heard telling an employee that "i don't give a S***" about he revolution. we're only concerned with the patriots". you can believe it or not....i don't really care...but i'll never cut this guy a break. seemed happy?? wouldn't you be happy if you got even 1 more game of concession and parking $$?? i'm ecstatic the revs are in for more...but, i'll never be truely happy until we get a consistent front office, coaching staff, and players...plus, an owner that actually gives a S*** about the team (oh, and us fans)
Too bad there isn't a rolling eyes icon for this one - Rev-eler I know you are a die hard fan but posting crap like this - yes I called it crap - is beyond the pale. If you are going to make accusations like that have the stones to back it up with something. Who heard him say this ? You ? A friend of a friend ? The same guy who saw Ferris Bueller pass out at 31 flavors ? So give us the facts or keep this sort of junior high 'i know but i can't tell you' bullsh!t to yourself.
georgeplmr are you part of the Kraft Organization? Just asking since the only time you post is to either defend them or to go after people who want things run a little more smoothly.
look george....i knew that if i didn't "cite a source" someone like you would come along and point it out. that's why i put "believe it or not..i don't care". i've heard it secondhand, yes. just like most every other tidbit on these bds from everyone not directly affiliated with the front office. context would probably help this post too. so, fine, don't believe it... "i don't care". and, while you're at it....you can just discount every other thing i've written on these bds too past, present, and future. and if most people choose not to believe it b/c i didn't hear...that's totally cool with me. believe it or not, its not all that often that i don't try to get all the facts b/f rushing to judgement myself. and look, the krafts are teflon 'round here...so i think they'll bounce back from my junior high schoolish remark just fine. there. now i think we'll both be much happier. and you want stones george? i've stood up the facts as they are. of course, i don't know how everyone "really runs their teams". but, i've compiled as much data as poss to see how they express it to the public in their seating arrangements, their tix prices, their promotions, their player and personnel turnover, etc.... and i've presented them here on the bds and presented them to hundreds of season ticket holders. and.... went down there to foxboro for a 2hr meeting with 2 high up revs people and listened to them skirt nearly every single issue i presented with no real explanations that i could see to most of the many rev organizational and gameday woes. lo and behold, a few days later down comes the axe. how's that for an organization that "cares" or is "committed". as soon as you get "the stones" george and "the facts" on how kraft cares for the organiztion, the team, and the fans.....i'm sure you'll do us the favor of posting them here.
I think that just because the team has finally reached success (so far) on the field we should let old Bob and sonny Jonathan off the hook. They keep finding ways to piss off the fans in how they run the team, whether its stadium issues that they choose not to address, bringing in the "Football" people to run the team, crap promotions to suck more money out of the fans, or even having Jonathan and Sunil play soccer on the field after a Revs loss with there kids. The Krafts are a deplorable ownership group. I reiterate that all the credit should go to the present GM (Todd), the team, Steve Nicol, and the staff. They have had to put up with a lot, with little support in return. I myself would like to see a new ownership group with more in it for the soccer side of things. The Krafts wanted to make money on this "soccer" thing and it has not flowed in like they were expecting. So let's have our kickass sales people from the Patriots world run it and sell it. We'll throw a couple of USA games in and get some high profile european clubs to come, jack up the prices and make our money that way. We'll make them all into doubleheaders so the attendance will be high almost every game.
Another way to look at it is that the Krafts show up for all the Patties games, whether they are bad or good and the pick their spots with the Revs. Now absentee ownership in Jeremy Jacobs has been bad PR for the Bruins for years and in the days of what's his name Brown it was terrible for the Celtics. With the Krafts we Rev fans have kind of the worst of both worlds, they are there yet they aren't. Or at least it seems that way. But my attitude is to wait, let this lovely run play itself out and enjoy it. If, at the end, we find that the new configuration in the front office is detrimental to the team and to the franchise, then we should raise holy hell. If things continue to improve, well then that is something else. But we have to give the Rev their due, the team is better, the stadium scene is better and there are a few more amenities around. The Krafts do own the team and it is their right to reqorganize as they see fit. At the same time I would never trust them as business people or on a personal level. As John Murphy says, ALL people in pro sports have their own agenda. Do you honestly think that the chairs of Man U PLC or Arsenal are any better? There is one significant difference, those people are rich people who are interested in proper football. The Krafts are rich people whose interests in proper football are murky at best. It is that where we have every right to criticize just as long suffering Bruins fans have every right to critique the Jacobs empire. JIM DOW
Oh for ************'s sake here we go again For the last time NO I DO NOT WORK FOR THE KRAFT FAMILY I just tend to react to the Oliver Stone conspiracy minded fruit cakes that seem to post rather frequently to this board The Revs storm back this season, make the playoffs and what do we have - some tool posting that even with the good news the owner hates the team. If you loathe the Krafts so much root for someone else for the love of god. I don't have facts on the Krafts. I don't pretend to. I also don't post things I heard second hand from the guy who cuts the lawn of the guy who delivers the Globe to the guy who says he knows someone who works for the Revs who heard someone say he overheard Kraft say something sometime.
He just had bypass surgury. How happy should he look. I had my tripple in June, am a diehard, one sport fan, and had the same look. Kind of like being on Lopressor or Imdur, which we both are.
I thought that they had that field looking PDG considering. They obviously held off on touching up and brightening the NFL lines. That tell's me something.
Well, that seems to be the only time you post, when someone wants a more smoothly running operation and posts about it. That hasn't changed. The important thing is the Revs are playoff bound.
Yes, Robert Kraft was at the match. During pre-game warm-ups he was sitting next to the Revs bench (with his wife I believe) in the seats the Pepsi kids use. He left after 10 minutes or so and returned to the same seats with Sunil Gulati for another 10 minutes or so. He was also on the field during the awards.
Look, the guy just won the freakin' Super Bowl, the legitimate world championship of what's considered America's favorite sport. And now his second team's parlayed a losing record into a conference title in a sport most Americans consider second-tier, in a league most people in the world consider second tier. That's like getting to first base after you've already hit the big home run. It's nice, but it certainly won't get the same reaction.
As far as I can tell, there are only 3 men who have put at risk their money and their reputations and "own" Major League Soccer teams, and Bob Kraft is one of them. Why he should be bitterly slammed is beyond me. Sure, corporate decisions should be criticized (like the mess at the entrance last night), but the personal attacks leave me mystified and a bit sad.
You're absolutely right. There are very few people in the US that have invested the $ in professional soccer the Bob Kraft has. He was there personally for the game and the award ceremony. The ceremony was for the fans (and TT). If he was in the middle of things, I'm sure some of you would have complained that he was stealing the spotlight. I am just as mystified - I'm glad to be able to watch professional soccer in the Boston area.
I tend to agree with this statement and I'd like to see ALL clubs run better in MLS. I can't bring myself to knock owners for investing in the sport that we love, but I can certainly support constant second-guessing of management woes - all around the league, not just in Foxboro. I really believe the world's greatest game will be properly represented in the U.S. in the future, but it's going to take lots of 'growing pains' along the way. I hope the Revs will make the 'next step' into respectability by going far into the playoffs. .
Winning should forgive alot but the Krafts even find a way to diminish that, for instance, you can't get into the stadium in time to see the first 15 minutes OR, if you are in the stadium, you can't see the field through the thousands of people still trying to reach their seats. That isn't a conspiracy theory. It is just a fact. I'm laying down alot more money per game to line Mr. Krafts pockets. Again, that is a fact not a conspiracy theory and it includes parking, concessions, and ticket prices. Tony Frias is on this roster for several years, never suits up, never plays a game, A-Leaguers get called up to play instead. His grandfather poured the Gillette cement. You do the math. Compelling circumstantial evidence. I think that since seven years have passed, we should stop giving the Krafts credit for "bringing soccer to New England." They have run that well of good will completely dry. It is time for them to treat us like paying customers who expect the main product (soccer!) AND the secondary products (seating, concessions, parking, ticketing) to be well run. I'd like to enjoy this end of season and playoff run but I don't want season tickets next year. Do you think I'll be able to get a guarantee that I can have a refund on unplayed playoff games if they don't make it to the cup? Last time they made the playoffs, the answer was, "No, but it will go as a credit to your next year of season tickets." More customer satisfaction...
Well as true Boston fans, I guess there is always something to b!tch about. You guys go right ahead...just don't think you represent the entire fan base. My well of goodwill hasn't run dry. I love watching soccer, I relish the chance to watch Man U at Gillette next summer, I loved watching the first MLS Cup game, I look forward to watching this years, I loved the World Cup games (men and women's) that I have watched at Foxboro and I love that my kids have been able to identify with a team they can go see and meet in person. Yes, there are hassles, yes people are in it for the money, yes there are mistakes and even incompetence..but the organization (and yes, I'll give Todd credit as well, but personally I give Nicol bigger credit) has fielded a winner. Isn't, ultimately, that the key thing you want from an owner, the ability to really compete.?? The Revs can now compete. Hakuna Matata.
Most of the positives you mention seem to be related to non-MLS/non-REV items. I've enjoyed those too. And, I'll probably continue to go to them. Maybe that is the key, in those situations, the Krafts run the stadium but not the team... A 12-14-2 "winner". Keep in mind that this team would have come in 5th in the West, out of 5. Against Chicago (from the east) anything can happen. Against San Jose... Let's hope we get that far.