Knockout Stage Predictions

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    Can't really see any justification for it not being Webb, unless for political reasons (not wanting to give a very good ref all the major finals). He's performed excellently throughout, is very experienced, extremely respected by players and managers, and has a very good team around him, even without Kirkup.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Germany v Italy "shouldn't" be Cakir or Lannoy, based on recent practice of not having the same team twice aside from a final. So, it's Thomson?

    Portugal v Spain can't be Lannoy for same reason, so it's Cakir?

    That leaves the final to Webb or Lannoy.

    I think we might be looking at a Lannoy final if it's down to the science of assigning.

    If it's a more artistic endeavor, then it's Webb. There are plenty of alternatives, but those seem the most obvious. I, personally, still hope Cakir is saved for the final.
     
  3. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like to see Cakir get the final, but I think we'll have:
    Cakir - Portugal/Spain
    Thomson - Germany/Italy
    Webb - Final - I expect to see Germany v Spain in that match and think that Webb will get it.
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cakir and Lannoy on the semis.

    That would logically leave Skomina or Webb on the final. They both are 4th officials for the semifinals.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why not Thomson?

    It's something I cannot believe I'm typing based on season he had. But given the tournament and assignments, it's just as--if not more--logical.
     
  6. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    I would suspect that Thomson and Eriksson, plus Proenca and Rizzoli are on their way home now. I can only see it being Webb on the final with Skomina as 4O.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently/allegedly, no one is being sent home. Portuguese press has reported Proenca is staying through the final. They are implying he's under consideration if Portugal loses but I think that's false and UEFA just isn't making a second cut.

    Dawns on me that Thomson could be Webb's 4th. But it could also be flipped. I think those are the two most likely options now. Skomina had a great tourney and might be a WC Final candidate one day, but I think he's done here.

    Still wonder why Eriksson is there.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another consideration... Would Spanish participation preclude Webb? Even though they won, he's not exactly the most liked referee in Spain after the World Cup.
     
  9. lemma

    lemma Member

    Jul 19, 2011
    I'd be pleased for anyone to get the final, but if Webb gets it, I propose a refereeing commentary drinking game along the following lines:

    - one drink for every Webb fan's use of any of the terms "masterclass" or "assured"
    - one drink for every Webb fan's use of the phrase "man management" or "safe pair of hands"
    - two drinks if the Webb fan used "man management" to cover up for serious foul play that went unpunished
     
  10. imj0257

    imj0257 New Member

    Apr 6, 2009
    DFW,TX
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hear Webb is the favorite for the final.


    It looks like refereeing is the only way England can get to a final :laugh:
     
  11. droponov

    droponov Member

    Apr 28, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    According to the Portuguese press, Proença, Webb and Rizzoli are in the short-list for the final.

    http://visao.sapo.pt/pedro-proenca-entre-os-tres-candidatos-a-arbitrar-a-final=f671880
     
  12. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Time to pony up with your predictions for who goes through - teams and refs....fill in your answer prior to game time today (Wednesday). Note: If you don't get your prediction in quite in time, that's ok....but you will miss out on the glory of having been right from the beginning....

    Predict game winners for:
    Portugal / Spain (Cakir in Center)
    Germany / Italy (Lannoy in Center)

    Then Predict Game Winner, Center Ref and 4th official for:
    Final Game Winner -
    Center Ref -
    4th Official -

    Whoever gets the most correct predictions gets to have their intelligence and luck lauded near and far....or something like that.

    Here's mine:
    Portugal / Spain (Cakir in Center) - Spain wins
    Germany / Italy (Lannoy in Center) - Germany wins

    Final Match:
    Germany / Spain - Germany wins
    Center Ref - Howard Webb
    4th Official - Thomson
     
  13. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't argue with any of that! We'll lose our glory together!
     
  14. soccerman771

    soccerman771 Member

    Jul 16, 2011
    Dallas, Texas area
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    My prediction exactly, and what I hope for.
     
  15. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a reason why everyone here seems to dismiss the chances of Proenca being assigned the Championship match? I thought he handled the Italy/England quarterfinal very well
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think the WC or EURO Final has ever gone to a referee from a team who was in the semifinal--certainly not in the "modern" eras for each tournament. Think of the pressure on Proenca if Spain, after defeating Portugal, suddenly fell victim to a controversial refereeing decision... his career would probably be over. FIFA has made the rare exception at the QF stage in recent World Cups (I think it's happened twice now) but, on the whole, the competition authorities don't let a referee work the team that just eliminated his country--and never, so far, on the Final match.

    Anything is possible, but I'd believe in that tradition/practice before I bought into media speculation that Proenca is actually being considered.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Webb is the obvious choice on performance and of who is available.

    I still have this sneaking suspicion that it might not be him, though. Not that I think Collina is personally petty, but we can't forget that a referee of his stature was denied the hat trick of major finals. Webb is good, but is he deserving of that? Plus, prior to the last tournament, the Final referee was someone who had worked only the first round--not, as it was last time, someone who did a QF. Perhaps most damning of all... the EURO Final referee has never been the fourth official on a semifinal match!

    Thomson and Eriksson fit the bill if it's not Webb. Looking at things again, Thomson seems way too fresh, he didn't get major matches and the fact that he had a bad season can't be just swept away. But what of Eriksson? If you eliminate the Karagounis card, every said he nailed the Germany v Netherlands game and then his Greece v Russia performance becomes acceptable. Sweden has a rich pedigree. Collina personally assessed him. He hasn't seen either Italy or Spain (while Webb has).

    I've been all over the place and I'm sure I could talk my way into anything at this point. But I'd put this match as 51/49 between Webb and Eriksson at the moment. I think, looking at the totality of the tournament, it was way too quick of me (and others) to dismiss Eriksson from consideration.

    EDIT: I'd also guess that Cakir or Skomina is the 4th on the Final... unless Collina, Webb, et al want Thomson in that role for some reason.
     
  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think Skomina has no chance?
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Caveat of "there's a first time for everything," but...

    Skomina faces all the hurdles Webb faces logistically except for the fact that he's not Howard Webb. If you're going to break with a couple traditions, I'd hope you go for the gold and give it to the guy who has been better this tournament.

    Eriksson faces none of the hurdles I've mentioned. It really comes down to how bad that dive call was viewed. But I can't help thinking that, if it was that bad, he'd have gone home with Kassai or even Stark. And if it wasn't that bad, with Sweden eliminated, maybe he was penciled in for the Final all along. Like I said, I could probably talk myself into anything at this point, but some evidence does point strongly toward Eriksson. You don't give a guy Netherlands v Germany if you don't trust him with big matches, after all.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL Gantar.

    That was a hilarious few hours.
     
  22. btharner

    btharner Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Selinsgrove, Pa.
    Proenca it is, according to the UEFA website
     
  23. AngloRef

    AngloRef Member

    Sep 4, 2011
    England
    Link?
     
  24. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing.

    Not undeserved, but I can't say it's overly deserved either; Webb was just as good and I thought actually better.

    Looks like a lot of conventions are now thrown out the window.
     

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