News: Klinsmann announces 30 man preliminary WC roster

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Mario Balotelli, May 12, 2014.

  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Actually, seems Klinsmann is just repeating what Loew said a few days ago:

    Joachim Low worried by German players' lack of form ahead of summer World Cup


    13:59 GMT, 7 May 2014

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...players-lack-form-ahead-summer-World-Cup.html
     
  2. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to assume there's a history of this regarding fitness test levels upon arrival to NT camps over JK's tenure. That makes more sense to me than JK simply putting MLS on blast because he feels like it with absolutely no truth backing it up.
     
  3. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    So you find the explanation that an entire league's worth of training staffs are doing a subpar job the most likely one?
     
  4. mckersive

    mckersive Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This MLS players need to be pushed harder than Europe based players is not a Klinsmann only thing. The guy who was the fitness coach in 2002-2010 said exactly that. (See my last post). So why do people assume it's (1) novel and unique to Klinsmann and (2) a slight on MLS?
     
  5. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
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    Yes,

    - Chandler went 90 vs. Hannover 1 1/2 week ago and a pre-arranged 45 vs. Mainz the week before that. The week before the Mainz match Klinsmann sent trainers to Germany and was "pleased with his progress". Chandler is fully healthy.
    - Johannsson is fully heathy and ready to go tomorrow
    http://news24h.allnews24h.com/3RrG
    - Jermaine Jones is not injured
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Actually, complaining about their players' form is almost de rigueur. It's just strange because it had not happened before, due to our coaches being rather naïve (it's gamesmanship, come on).

    Loew is also saying he's getting most of his players in poor form, doing the whole woe-is-me we're-going-to-lose act. I wouldn't put any stock in it. Yeah, some players are out of form, but it's probably a couple of them (the Galaxy has played so few games, it may be a problem for Gonzo and Donovan).

    But, in general, saying your players are not in top form, is part of the gamesmanship. You want the other guys to think you're not feeling all too well. Problem is, everybody uses it, so it's a bit pointless.
     
  7. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Because that's not really what Barrieu was quoted as saying? His quote was related to guys being fresher because they were hurt, not anything to do with the fitness of the domestic players.


    AJ, Jones and Chandler are both coming off injury; playing 1.5 games after missing 10 weeks; there's not a chance in hell Chandler's in better shape than a random MLS player in camp.
     
  8. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    ok...you asked whether they are A) fit (they are...they are..they've gone a full 90 and resumed full training with their clubs) B) healthy (yes, they aren't injured) and C) Ready to reach full fitness (I think they are since they aren't injured and will have gone a full 90 for their club )
     
  9. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    You disagree? Injury rehab plus 135 minutes trumps 8 weeks of games plus training?
     
  10. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
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    Yes...I think all three are ready to go

    you asked whether they are A) fit (they are...they've gone a full 90 and resumed full training with their clubs) B) healthy (yes, they aren't injured) and C) Ready to reach full fitness (I think they are since they aren't injured and will have gone a full 90 for their club )
     
  11. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

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  12. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    My point was comparing their current fitness level to the example of Evans, Donovan and Gonzalez as those three were given as an example of maybe why JK said what he said. All 6 guys have been dealing with an injury. I understand AJ, TC and JJ are back playing but I doubt Chandler's "base" is as good as...I dunno, Zusi's, because he missed time.
     
  13. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I won't take sides with or against our coach in the instance, and while I don't always agree with everything he says or does on the field, I do trust him. If he thinks that a certain group are at a disadvantage then I will believe him.
     
  14. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Where did he say that? It's more of a, "if the shoe fits" scenario, team by team, staff by staff.
     
  15. mckersive

    mckersive Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
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    Chelsea FC
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    United States
    I admit I can't readily tell what is Barrieu speaking and what is author's editorializing, but there's a statement in there: "MLS men are on the front end of theirs and probably need to be pushed harder in camp." The sentences are muddled enough that I assume the sentiment came from Barrieu or at least he didn't disagree with the premiss. I'm just suggesting that the Europe/MLS divide regarding fitness vs dead legs discussion is a natural one and not something more sinister (I.e., not meant to be a slight or result of some hidden agenda). Maybe someone like Bradley is the ideal case (started in Italy, took about a month to transition to MLS).
     
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  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    And Michael is looking tired in this second half of the Canadian Championship semi-final (Vancouver hosting Toronto).

    The coaches of Colombia, Bosnia and Korea also have talked about fitness worries too. Bet most of them will before the start of the show.

    My vote is gamesmanship.
     
  17. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
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    ^^The buzzard speaks again! :p
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    #943 Suyuntuy, May 15, 2014
    Last edited: May 15, 2014
    Just keeping an eye on Bradley's evolution from DM to CM and now to almost AM. It's interesting. :)

    The more I watch MB, the more convinced I am he needs a pure DM behind him to perform his best.
     
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  19. notredamefan83

    Nov 13, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like some Mourinho-esque psychology to me
     
  20. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
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    Feb 5, 2008
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    I've been waiting for years to see him as an attacking mid. His coaches in Holland saw what very few others saw in him.
     
  21. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    is starting to sound like it. We have enough with our opponents we don't need to play with a "half tank" already spent.
     
  22. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    After watching Donovan for so long... I know he was looking to pass that ball.
     
  23. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    Some of us have been saying this since 2008. He is no DM. You could even play his m as a low lying playmaker but have a dmid in the vicinity to pressure should the ball turn over.
     
  24. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
    Again, the point is all you, nothing to do with Donovan. You either lied or made a stupid error in stating that Donovan NEVER scored for the USMNT from outside the box. Your spin that you meant the WC and non-deflected shots is stupid, as no one other than Dempsey meets that standard. You either lied or have such an inflated ego combined with such a poor ability to comprehend soccer that it creates the illusion in your own mind of an alternate reality where Donovan has a poor outside shot.

    A couple of real point. I think 7 goals out of 57 from outside the box is a pretty high percentage relative to most scorers. Secondly, I do think there is a question whether the outside shot is one of Donovan's skills that has dropped off in recent years. Of course, the real question is whether Donovan is a better option at outside midfield than Zusi, Bedoya or FJ.
     
  25. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I stand what I said, he hasn't been good from the outside in the WC and now I know that practically everyone else isn't either, which is sad.
    LD still good enough for the outside, as an SS he is a good setup man, not sure if that is enough for him to go there and have to battle the other guys. Some folks make the assumption that because he played the SS in the GC that he is going to do well in the WC, I don't think so.
     

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