Sunday against Chelsea, Forssell and Dugarry are both out. That leaves Morrisson as the only first-choice striker. I suspect Dunn won't be moved up, but could. That leaves an out and out selection choice between Kirovski and Stern John. As Kirovski's been selected ahead of John in the last few matches, we could see a Kirovski start. That's my analysis anyway. Forssell can't play against Chelsea due to the loan agreement. Dugarry is still out injured.
I hope Jovan does get a start, but with those players gone, he will get some minutes. Maybe Jovan is a the rebound. He needs to shut up some of his critics, including me.
Jovan's best chance to start is in his dreams. Why anyone follows this guy who rather take the money than ever play a game is beyone me?
if people can't peacefully follow Jovan on a Yanks Abroad forum on BS, where can they? i don't know if anyone else saw the AP story about Boca's transfer to Fulham, but it listed the Americans currently in the EPL and for some reason still had Jovan with Crystal Palace in the first division. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...20040113/ap_on_sp_so_ne/soc_bocanegra_england "Midfielder Claudio Reyna (Manchester City) and goalkeepers Brad Friedel (Blackburn), Tim Howard (Manchester United) and Kasey Keller (Tottenham) play regularly in England's top league. Midfielder Eddie Lewis, who played last season with Fulham, is with Preston of the first division. Midfielder Jovan Kirovski plays in the first division with Crystal Palace. Another American player, striker Clint Mathis, will have a tryout with Sunderland of the first division. Mathis also has been training with the German club Hannover. " here's hoping he starts so people at least realize that he's in the EPL and been getting some minutes as of late. how do you write to AP to offer a correction?
Played? Yes. What does that mean? Injuries on the team at mid-season. His years of playing with such little production - I do not put much weight in the possibility of him starting. He has nothing to show for someone with "great" promise at one time. Does that mean he can not change his career? No. But it will take a lot for Jovan to become a factor in the EPL or for that matter - for the USMNT. He does not deserve to be even consider for the USMNT. But that is another thread.
Well, he has played, and has gotten good minutes and decent reviews. And Brum has yet to try to buy another forward. So maybe Bruce thinks Kirovski can contribute. Maybe this weekend is his chance.
Do you read this forum often? Here we avidly follow Yanks who are in the lowly German third division. This is not a forum for USMNT players only. I am not a fan of Jovan on the USMNT, but I do admire his ability to play the game at a level much higher than me. I wish he lived up to the hype of his early years, but he hasn't. I admire the skill of anyone who manages to make a good living as a professional athlete. How many millions of us tried and failed? I admire the abilities of those plugging away in the lower divisions and those sitting the benches in higher divisions. They play soccer at a much higher level than most of us. I guess I'm just getting tired of all the Jovan bashing. So he didn't make a big splash on the National Team or club teams at the highest level, get over it. Scumby
If nothing else, I imagine the recently published list of MLS players' salaries put to rest the notion that Kirovski should quit the Premiership and come to MLS!
You realize Rudy had absolutely no talent. And you cannot have less than absolutely none. Hence the whole point appeal his story. Saying someone is like Rudy without the talent is like saying "its like a hamburger but without the yak kidney soup."
Wow...relax a little bit. There are 20 teams in the EPL, each with 25 (or more) guys on their roster. That makes 500 players. How many, exactly, of those 500 do you think currently are "a factor"? To be so critical of JK because he has become a useful squad player (which he currently is, by all accounts based on his recent play) in one of the highest leagues in the world (instead of becoming RvN) is pretty harsh. This forum is Yanks Abroad...there are hundreds of them (check Dave's list). If you are only interested in guys who play regularly with the Nats, ask Buff and DK to start a USMNTers Abroad sub-forum. Back on topic, Dugarry has also been suspended for three (IIRC) matches, which also opens up further minutes for someone. (This, of course, is the reason why rosters have 25 players.)
Thats what forums are for...opinions. Just like yours. I know, that is why mentioned the USMNT reference as another thread. [/B][/QUOTE]
i think forums are for thoughtful discussion, but i'm an optimist. opinionated, harsh critizism often undermines and sidetracks the initial focus and intent of threads, particularly those about Kirovski. there's nothing wrong with some varying opinions, but try not to be overly forceful or grand (with such lines as "He does not deserve to be even consider for the USMNT") as to interfer with others' desires to discuss currect topics such as an EPL match this weekend.
HE HAD TALENT HE WAS JUST UNDERSIZED!!! I think you can have less than absolutely no talent though. I think somehow that's possiable.
This is just ridiculous. Why shouldn't he try to succeed at the highest levels? Apparently, Jovan Kirovski is just not quite good enough to play at the highest levels of Euro football. As a person, United20, you might decide to settle for playing at a lower level, with the liklihood of greater playing time. Kirovski has made another choice, and it unfortunately just hasn't worked out for him. A regular for a first or second division team, or a spot player in the big time? I don't think there is a wrong answer to that question. Ocassional playing time in the premiership, or being a regular at Crewe Alexandra? I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there. I wish Jovan the best, It's his career, and it's his life, not yours, United20, and not mine. His choices may not have worked out, but he's thought big... may not have been the best decision with hindsight, but I don't remember a lot of people, including yourself, saying that his move to Birmingham was wrong AT THE TIME. And you know what? There aren't 80 geeks on an internet message board talking about what either of us are doing with our careers, so maybe we owe him a bit more respect.
Good points. The same can be argued with those who are equally annoyed that Landon Donovan is not choosing to live up to his potential by going back to Germany. It's sort of the opposite decision from the one Jovan has made. Let's try to follow our Yanks Abroad, but lets not think we know better than they do what should be done with their lives.
What do you think you have been doing on this website the whole time? Look, some can not tell the difference between an opinion and then telling Jovan what to do with his life. I think he really needed to take a step back in his career to improve his game by playing in a league like the MLS. You think that is telling him what to do with his life? Like I am telling him he can not live in freedom. Get real.
In hindsight, maybe, MAYBE JK would have been a better player if he had come to MLS (and that's very debateable). Given the shortness of an athlete's career, I find it a no-brainer that he chooses to stay in Europe and earn easily four or five times what MLS would pay him...and I wouldn't be surprised if the monetary difference isn't even greater. I still have hopes that he can show his skills at B'Ham. When he's on, he really is fun to watch.
To get back a little closer to the original topic: Has anyone ever seen JK look like a superstar on a semi-consistent basis? For all that we like to b***h that he never lived up to his potential, it's possible that talented squad player is his potential. Maybe he's been saddled with the ManU hype for a decade -- maybe he was a cherry-picker scoring tap-ins (and the odd 20-yard screamer) on one of the best youth teams you'll ever see. FWIW: I saw about 10 games at Crystal Palace back when he and the Eagles were flying high. Fun to watch, great vision, occasional moments of genius -- maybe a top flight player -- but in the time I watched him he never looked like Palace's best player.
Has anyone ever seen any of our field players look like a superstar (of a team in one of the top European leagues) on a semi-consistent basis? Why should Kirovski be held to a higher standard?
On this portion of BigSoccer? I've been getting information on where American players have been heading internationally. I've been reading up on players who have multiple opportunities, and tried to weigh the pluses and minuses of each. I haven't accused them of putting money in front of their careers. Of course my reply wasn't even aimed at you, but you're going to single me out anyways, it seems. I was merely making a point about people who refer to other players as greedy, stupid, or short-sighted. The players probably spend a lot more time thinking about their lives than we do, and we should consider that before making those accusations. I never said we shouldn't second-guess their decisions in general though. I just don't see the point of insulting these guys who are trying to live out their dreams, whatever they may be.
i think you misread my message... my whole point is that i think there is an unfair (naive) belief among bs posters that kirovski would be a superstar if he just tried a bit harder or had some heart. i don't agree -- i think kirovski has lived up to his potential, which is to be clever but not great as a player. i think that's fine and i'm actually a big jk fan. on the other hand (and unlike most bs posters!) i'm willing to change my mind. if anyone who claims kirovski is an underachiever could give me some proof of how great he could have been -- then i'll rethink but as proof of potential i want something more than "ferguson said he was better than beckham when they were 17". manu youth team stars are a dime a dozen