Kill Bill.

Discussion in 'Movies, TV and Music' started by amerifolklegend, Oct 8, 2003.

  1. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    i would love to see such baby looking badman style yakuza's in the future. lucy liu's japanese has been improved quite a lot since the last time i heard her speak it. blonde girl's japanese sounded so funny and sometimes i could not understand what she said but that was cute. it's like a non-english speaking pretty girl tries to tell you "i like you." some of the translations aren't exactly done. in the sushi bar scene, actually there was a dialog that sushi guy said "just bring the sake you stupid baldpate!!." and the bald guy told the girl "i'm not bald i just shaved it." i don't think they translated this part correctly. anyways, fun movie with so much blood
  2. LifeOfBrian

    LifeOfBrian New Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    Nothing original about this movie whatsoever, and the anime part did not quite work (IMHO), but it is a good bloodflick with an awesome soundtrack.
  3. microbrew

    microbrew New Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Kill Bill annotations

    Elvis Mitchell of the NY Times annotates Kill Bill.

    Possibly the first time "Five Fingers of Death" and ""TNT Jackson" are mentioned in the same paragraph anywhere, much less the NY Times. You've never heard of those movies? Neither have I.
  4. amerifolklegend

    amerifolklegend New Member

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    Re: Kill Bill annotations

    Five Fingers of Death perhaps many haven't heard of, but really, if you haven't heard of TNT Jackson, then either you're under 25 years old, or you simply don't watch many movies.

    It's pretty damned mainstream for a Blaxploitation film.
  5. BadAzzSnowboarder

    BadAzzSnowboarder New Member

    Jan 14, 2003
    Malibu, CA
    I don't know the majority of the B-flicks Tarantino referenced in Kill Bill, but I could definitely spot the reference to that Bruce Lee movie where he wore that yellow jump suit.

    A lot of Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns also seemed to have been an influence.

    The extreme slow zoom-in of Lucy Liu at that yakuza meeting looked like Tarantino lifted that from the introductory zoom-in shot of Alex in A Clockwork Orange.

    Also the crazy bltch with the ball and chain was most definitely inspired by this Japanese exploitation flick called Battle Royale. She was also a part of that cast so that's pretty much an easy reference.

    The animated sequence, I loved. I don't like anything animated(except for The Lion King), but that sequence was amazing. Loved the hand-held shaky camera look of it.
  6. bmurphyfl

    bmurphyfl Member

    Jun 10, 2000
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I picked up the soundtrack yesterday. It's missing a few tunes from the movie but overall, it is great. I'd definitely recommend it.

  7. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Thumbs Down

    Nowhere close to Pulp Fiction

    The killing and slashing got tiresome in the Japanese restaurant, way too tiresome

    At least Monty Python knew how to make a joke out of blood spewing out, Tarantino doesn't

    And the plot was simpler than the most mindless Schwartzenegger flick. Slick filmmaking can't substutute for a decent story. And it in no way is worth two installments.
  8. Courtney

    Courtney Member

    May 14, 2000
    I absolutely loved it. Sure it was cheeseball, but I'm a big fan of that too. I thought it was amazing.

    And I thought Uma Thurman was kinda weird looking before this, but she looks damn fine covered in blood weilding a big ass sword.

    Except for her weird toes. But they make socks for that.

    And it's not a two installment thing, it was too long when they made it so they had to chop it in half.

    The music was awesome, the blood and guts were awesome, the only thing I noticed is at the end Lucy Lui's hair was up, and then all of a sudden it was down.

    I've seen it twice, too.

    And I love the Japanese band with the beehives in the club, they rocked.
  9. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I thought it might not be any good, but then I read some reviews, so when I saw it I knew what to expect. I really, really liked it, and I thought I understood why Tarantino did what he did. I also like how some people didn't like the fight scenes but the most glowing review of them came from my 50 year old fourth degree black belt Aikido instructor who saw it twice.
  10. cj herrera

    cj herrera New Member

    May 7, 1999
    Oakland, damn straig
    The 5,6,7,8s. Great name.

    After sitting with this flick (and it is a flick) for a few days, I'm just sort of "ehh" about it. I liked it, but that's about it.

    I saw Pulp Fiction again recently and was surprised how good it really is. The interactions between Travolta and Jackson, and Travolta and Uma Thurman are just great. While there's a lot (LOT) of crap in PF as well, there are at least some nice ideas. The whole movie is just seeped in ideas of mutual respect and trust. I also really liked Eric Stoltz and Bruce Willis -- perfectly cast in both of those roles. In fact I think PF is the first time I liked either of those actors.

    Kill Bill is defintely an entirely different thing. But it's just too thin. I do think Uma Thurman is great in it though.

    Oh, and one more thing:
    "The 4th Film by Quentin Tarantino"

    Give me a freakin break. I can count for myself, you delusional molestor.
  11. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    I saw this on DVD (thank you, Thailand) last week after avoiding it in the theater. After the number of people that told me it was good, I was a bit disappointed when I saw it.

    First, it was an okay movie, but it was so short the film felt as if it stopped half way through, not that it ended at a meaningful point of conclusion. Maybe this is a post LOTR hangover, but if he wanted to make a 3 hour slasher I'd rather he just did that than try to rip me off twice by seeing two 90 minute movies.

    Also, while I appreciate the good flashback now and then, I think Tarantino is addicted with the technique. I get that telling a story from A to B has been done before, but flashbacks have been done before as well. The flashbacks worked well in Resevior Dogs. They were repetitive and distracting in Pulp Fiction, and I thought his use of them was bordering on indulgent, that he wanted to make the audience work extra hard to keep up by showing them someone who was alive in one scene, dead in one scene and alive in the next. I don't think flashbacks in and of themselves improve a movie. Do one or two, you can get the point across. Start cutting and pasting the movie all around at some point it just looks like you are being either sloppy or obnoxious. Case in point: Uma Thurman kills Vivica Fox, then gets into her car and scratches her name off of the list. It is the second name. The first name, already crossed off, is Lucy Liu's name. Then she goes to Japan, yadda yadda, and the first film ends with a climactic battle scene with Lucy Liu. Only it's not climactic, because of the flashback nature of the film you already know that Lucy Liu is going to die. Why ruin that on purpose? You want to tell me that her killing Lucy Liu was a better climax than killing Vivica Fox, okay. But why not just have Vivica Fox's name be the first on the list?What did ruining the end of the movie right there do to improve the film? You could assume that Uma wasn't going to die anyway since it was a two part film about revenge and if the second movie had anywhere to go at all she'd have to be alive in it, but I don't get why that was necessary. It seemed gratuitous.

    I loved the music, and this film was another case of how well he can put together music and film. He gets credit for that (Bang, Bang especially). And yes, while the plot was simple, it didn't bother me as much as the pointless flashing back/flashing forward did. Not being Gringo Tex I clearly didn't get all of the nods he was making to filmmakers past, but I could see them being made and didn't have a problem with it. I thought the Anime scene was a little gimmicky, but it was done well enough that it didn't really bother me. I did get the feeling that he was trying to expose the wal marters to the genre a bit, so okay.

    On the whole, I thought it was okay, but nothing special, and not a masterpiece. I put it behind Reservior Dogs and Pulp Fiction, though ahead of Jackie Brown.

    Vol 2 comes out Feb 20 as far as I know. I can't imagine that I will rush to see it, though I will get around to it eventually.
  12. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe that was the point - the film wasn't really meant as a reflection on the real world, but as an homage to all the 1970's genre movies Tarantino grew up watching (besides, I doubt that any airport would've allowed swords onto planes even before 9/11, much less now ;) ).

    In any case, I never got around to watching this film in the theater, though I finally rented the DVD yesterday. Very entertaining film, even if it earned every bit of its R rating. Strangely, while the over-the-top fighting hardly disturbed me (even with all the blood), the scene where the trucker was about to *ahem* The Bride's (Uma Thurman's) seemingly-comatose body in the hospital sure as heck did. :eek:

    The "Making Of" documentary was pretty interesting, with Tarantino revealing many of his inspirations for various scenes. One that many in this thread missed was the splitscreen scene of a comatose Bride laying in her bed in the hospital while Elle Driver (Darryl Hannah) was making her way to her - that was taken from an early Brian de Palma film, though I forget which one.

    Another revelation from the documentary was how Sonny Chiba played a different Hattori Hanzo character in each of the "Kage no Gundan" ("Shadow Warriors") series he starred in... the Hattori Hanzo he played in Kill Bill was meant to be in the same line of Hattori Hanzos. Also interesting is that Tarantino believes that Kill Bill brought the 1970's Slaugherhouse movies to a new generation just as Raiders of the Lost Ark brought the 1930's/1940's Saturday morning serials to a new generation.

    Anyway, I'll probably watch it one more time before watching Volume 2 when it hits theaters tomorrow (Friday, 4/16).


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