Keane Replacement. Smith?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by johno, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Keane Replacement

    Of course we don't think he could reach the levels of Keano, I don't at least, but I am thinking maybe he could be a good enough type of player.

    Now I know that is not what we need, but I am saying Feelup Nev is NOT good enough, Butt was not good enough. He could be better than them, just not world class.

    We need him to be a player who can hold down the midfield, whlist our other world class players at other positions (bought at the saved price of buying a world class center mid :) can shine.

    Not that I would not be against buying a Ballack type, but still we could use another 'world class' center back.
     
  2. nxttc

    nxttc Member+

    Jul 14, 2004
    Re: Keane Replacement

    smith has the perfect scowl for the position, though i believe that he'll never truly feel comfortable playing in the middle of the park.
     
  3. gildarkevin

    gildarkevin Member

    Aug 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    Re: Keane Replacement

    I don't know, as I wrote in the transfers thread, he had one of the best single-game performances that I've ever seen from a player against us in the season that Leeds went down. It was a 1-1 draw, but Leeds was missing Robinson that day, as well as Viduka and one or two others. Should have been an easy win, but Smith was everywhere offensively and defensively. Whether he can do that over the course of a season is a different story, of course.
     
  4. footballboy

    footballboy New Member

    Mar 18, 2005
    A. Smith for R. Keane?

    http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=201809

    SAF and his staff are priming Alan Smith for the midfield role, that according to the Manutd.com link
    What do u guys think of Alan Smith replacing keane in midfield? Smith is just as combative and zealous, albeit a bit over the top with his tackles. He can of course score as shown from his time at Leeds.. I don't know about his ball distribution, oh that temprament and cussing will break Vieira's sending off record under Wenger, but he is a good header. Overall he could be better than Makelele..(LOL... Makelele in Swahili language means NOISES) Always laugh everytime I hear that nomre...the African in me.

    Back to the topic now, if he is committed to it, I think he can make it, aight?
     
  5. tscboys

    tscboys Member+

    Sep 7, 2004
    Tulsa
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    The smudger deffintly has the heart to be a midfield ace, but he's been trained as a forward, and i dont know if there is still enough time in his career to get rid of the old habbits, and replace them with new defensive ones. I do hope it works out for the best though, it would be a very cheap replacement to Keano.
     
  6. NYCgeezer

    NYCgeezer New Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    New York City
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    He has always come back, even as a forward...
     
  7. When Hell Unfreezes

    Jan 8, 2004
    London
    I've always thought his best positiion is in the Ginga role, behind the front players, in the hole - I rate Alan Smith a lot, he is technically a very good player, if somewhat tempremental - he could be a serious issue at the Academy :D

    We'll have him if you don't like him?
     
  8. footballboy

    footballboy New Member

    Mar 18, 2005
    Hey hell, what do u want A. Smith for down at Gitmo? I saw footage of the captives juggling and dribbling in their jump suits, u the coach of Gitmo XI? :D lol just kidding man.. well like I've said in on MU thread , is that last season the midfield was jaded and uncreative, the defense was world class. The strikeforce just fed on the lack of creativity from the middle hence the poorest season in years.

    Essien's price is a no go like the Siberian winter; Ballack? We need the money to pay for the takeover debts.The solution is to get a young, obscure and upcomiong miidfielder who is gonna cost peanuts and snap him up b4 Kenyon can say the word, Chelski and Mr Abramovich.
     
  9. RhythmandGangsta1825

    Jan 8, 2005
    Utica,New York
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    You are kidding right? I don't even have to turn this into a tangent but Makelele has been world class for years. Smithy isn't even world class at his rightful position as a forward player. I love the guy for his determination and work ethic but Smithy couldn't even be a quarter of what Makelele is even if he plays the position for the next 10 years.
     
  10. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    That would make him pretty poor now wouldn't it?

    I suppose we shall see in a few days whether the other preseason games were just good games for him or if he can consistanty play the position, albiet against lesser opposition than EPL.
     
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    I agree w/ u to an extent R&G but don't go overboard, we will never know how good Smith could be at CM, he sure as hell wont be as good a DM as Makalele, but he'd damn sure have a more rounded game. That said, its silly to compare the 2 players, Makalele is one of the best DMs in the world and Smith's a young player who has yet to find his best position (its probably roaming midfield tbh).
     
  12. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The more I think about it, the more I have to say I just don't care for the idea of Smith at CM. Does he have the heart and the grit? Sure. But I don't know if he has the vision and the passing ability to make it there, especially at a club like United. You truly have to be among the best in the world to play there and call that position your own. Smith just has a finishing class that makes me reluctant to play him anywhere but in a forward position, even if its in a supersub capability. I can't see Smith in CM playing regularly better than Fletcher, and while I don't subscribe to the official newsletter of the FUCOF-FFS, I do see young Darren as having tremendous upside potential[/NBA draft analysis].

    Overall I still think we need an outsider unless this Jones fellow can produce at the level we need. But Keane ain't gettin' any younger, so a decision is needed quickly. If Fergie really wants to go with Smith, I guess I trust the man, but skeptically so.
     
  13. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    --other--
    the thing is, unless Smith is a revelation... he wont be a permanent fixture in CM, as for his finishing, WHAAA? Smith's horridly inconsistent and that's why he's never gotten into double figures in the prem. His speed of thought needs to improve, but his judgement seems to be spot on from what I've seen... we'll see how he adapts but the main thing is, for now, he's just emergency backup or in when we need to rest Keane until we can land the big one. I'm comfortable with that situation, its not the best, but I'd rather this than overspending on someone who doesn't fit the bill and its probably better this way to allow Keane to work w/ Fletcher and Jones and still have veteran backup who is willing to take a backseat but available to stand in when needed (who of United caliber in CM would do that?)
     
  14. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, Smith, like Mark Hughes, would appear to be not a great goal-scorer but instead a scorer of great goals. Sometimes you need that too, and not just for the highlight reels. I think Smith can do that for us in a forward role, but I'm not sure what kind of opportunities he'd get at CM. His strength still seems to be in the offense.
     
  15. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    scorer of great goals... I think im gonna have some business cards printed w/ that on it. :D
     
  16. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: A. Smith for R. Keane?

    Jeez man, if he plays that position for the next ten years, I would imagine he'd become quite good at it, He's not that poor.
     
  17. Vermont Red

    Vermont Red Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's face it, the hardest thing about playing true DM like Makelele is resisting the urge to move up the field. Not taking anything away from Makelele's excellence, but Smith would be wasted in that type of role. If Smith plays in midfield it should be as a box-to-box CM instead of a DM.
     
  18. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IE, similiar to that of Keano; we don't need any Makalele.
     
  19. Hawki

    Hawki New Member

    May 4, 2005
    NorCal, USA
    Well said ... I think it's going to be interesting to see if he adjusts his style according to the demands of a CM. Will his vision change and just how creative can he really be.
     
  20. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For all we know, he was born to play that position and has been erroneously played as a striker since he was a boy.... ;)
     
  21. tscboys

    tscboys Member+

    Sep 7, 2004
    Tulsa
    Yes, and I can fly ::watches legs lift off the ground:: woaaahh..
     
  22. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    --other--

    :D
     
  23. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't wait to see the boy crack someone and win the ball, then through ball to Rossi for the goal..
     
  24. blackadder

    blackadder Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    NYC
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Looks like any possibility of signing a Keane replacement is over. We play with what we have.

    http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...soccer/05/07/25/SOCCER_Man_Utd_Nightlead.html

     
  25. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Fergie is a smooth bastard... he knows that if we go through a season or 2 w/ Keane playing a gradually reduced role several things can happen...

    1. his replacement/subs will get better
    2. youth players will develop over time
    3. players who can possibly replace him will become available/noticeable
    4. we wont seem quite as desperate as before
    5. we can stretch out Keane's career.
    6. he can keep the best rb in the prem happy by paying his brother sh1tloads of money for a few appearances a season :D

    in all honesty, who here does not think Gary and Phil combined are worth 100K a week?
     

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