Keane replacement 2005/06

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by tomvandamn, May 23, 2005.

  1. tomvandamn

    tomvandamn New Member

    Apr 9, 2003
    new york
    Since barcelona got marc van bommel who should manu go after?

    Fergie screwed up with his replacements so far

    What about EDGAR DAVIDS, hes unhappy at inter and remember what a turnaround barcelona had when he went there for half a year they went from midtable to finishing second........

    I think he has 2 years left in him
     
  2. Ballzack

    Ballzack New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
    Not sure, however, you hit the nail on the head re: Fergie... let's hope he or whomever is in charge makes the correct choice this time. Did you hear about Barcelona making a bid for Rio? Off topic, but what the heck!
     
  3. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    bahahahah....i would cry if davids came here as a replacement for keane.....

    no old over the hill, former class players please, we have our own to fill that role
     
  4. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Davids is 32, Keano will be 34 in August. Not really gaining anything in terms of age.
     
  5. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know what the fundemental problem with replacing Roy Keane is, don't you?

    It's ROY FREAKING KEANE!

    They don't roll those kinds of players off of some assembly line in Cork.

    You need equal doses of:

    Shrewdness
    and
    Luck

    in order to get a player like that.

    If you don't have either, you're gambling 2 or 3 years worth of transfer fees on 1 player.
     
  6. tomvandamn

    tomvandamn New Member

    Apr 9, 2003
    new york
    well keane wont be able to play all 38 prem games plus the cl games so lets hear it

    who would you guys get for that crucial role

    arsenal have viera
    chelsea have makalele
    liverpool have alonso

    who do we have john o shea lol
     
  7. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    You gain a few more years to find a long-term replacement.
     
  8. Vermont Red

    Vermont Red Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First of all, accept that Keane cannot be replaced. With all due respect to Makelele, Viera and Alonso, none of them do what Keane could do when he was at full power.

    A more realistic approach is to evaluate what we have already and then determine what type of midfielder we need to complement those players. For instance, if Fletch is the other midfielder then we don't necessarily need a Keane clone, just a balanced midfielder who can tackle and pass. (It also wouldn't be bad if he could take free kicks.) I assume there are a number of quality players who could work in that role.
     
  9. dude8

    dude8 Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    phoenix
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how about a straight up trade--ferdinand for makalele(sp)?
     
  10. Vermont Red

    Vermont Red Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Makelele wouldn't work unless United changed it's style of play to allow one midfielder to sit in front of the back four full time. Plus, Chelsea doesn't want Ferdinand.
     
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    also, maka is abit old... and not really worth it to us.
     
  12. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys are in a similar situation to us....that being...how to replace/phase out an icon....a one of a kind....

    It's nearly impossible. There's only one Roy Keane.....just like for us there's only one Dennis Bergkamp. You do the best you can realizing it's not realistic to expect a clone of that particular player.
     
  13. NYCgeezer

    NYCgeezer New Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    New York City
    essien is our best bet.
     
  14. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For us there is optimism in part because we've done it before, in replacing Bryan Robson with Keane. I think we can do it again, but it'll take a good eye, good luck, and good money as well.
     
  15. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    First off, i don't think we are really gonna 'replace' keano as he really is a one off type player.

    Secondly do we really need a DM to replace him? Could we not be as successful
    with more of a box to box, hard tackling, CM. I remember a few years ago, this is what keane was really classified as anyways.....a box to box midfielder, not a DM......just a thought....it would give us more flexibility
     
  16. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
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    ^^ The problem is, that a whole host of very good CM's came up in Keano's era and are now 2-3years older/younger then he is and after that there really isn't that many class CM's coming up to take over.

    Essien is the only one who even comes close in years gone by there was a lot of talent in the position and it wouldn't have been as hard as it will be now to 'replace' Keano.

    This really is a British/Irish positon for United and that, is just not going to be possible this time. We've always gone for true hard men of their time in that slot. In Fergie's era it has gone Robson, Ince, Keane all three of them absolutely loved a scrap literally as well as figuratively... who is out there in the EPL who can provide that? All there is (imo) is Parker and he is not in the same stratosphere, for quality as any of the 3 we've had pass through here. Gerrard is staying at pool and I'd also doubt his defensive capabilities anyway...besides his way outside of our budget now.

    So we're gonna have to go abroad and that is always going to be a risk for us. This position needs steel and grit and a never say die attitude as well as the required quality to take over from Keane.. I don't see many out there with all those attributes...only Van Bommel and Essien...De Rossi doesn't have the mental strength for a place like OT and I can't think of many others who are young enough and have the quality to even be worth our time.

    Players like Mascherano and Gattuso don't do what Keane did and I'm not sure they could actually keep a midfield like ours ticking over (flowing) like a Keane or Ince.

    What I'm basically saying.... is we're fecked :D :(
     
  17. Ronaldo07

    Ronaldo07 New Member

    Mar 2, 2005
    the board has to be willing to splash big if we idenitify a possible player to take over from keane, we can't be hanging around or trying to get him on the cheap.
     
  18. Beast_Ed

    Beast_Ed Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    Boston MetroWest
  19. Vermont Red

    Vermont Red Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS player next Roy Keane? Could happen, in 2050.
     
  20. listen_up_fergie

    listen_up_fergie New Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    Montreal
    Me! The next Sir Alex Ferguson? It could happen.
     
  21. cdmphy

    cdmphy Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Okay....Clint Dempsey is a fun player and has loads of potential. But that is just bat-******** crazy.


    Here's the thing. Nobody wants to replace Keane, because he has been the most fantastic player; however his days are numbered. He's getting older and doesn't have the presence that he used to in the middle. That means he's still a quality DM, but not one of the best any longer. So somebody has to be found. It's not a United thing or an England thing, it's a football thing. Great teams have great DM's. They take pressure off the back line and they allow creative players to move forward. And isn't that is what has happened to the MF recently. Keano needs help, which means that we have less service with someone tracking back to help much more than was ever necessary. We have a very expensive strike force with little service. There are other problems there, but this is a big one. Keane still has loads to give (he was pure quality in the FA Cup Final), but more and more of that will come from grooming his hier.

    So I don't think we need anyone who can move forward the way he was able to in his day. If they can fine, but a Maka or a Marquez is fine. It will do the job and lead to better service by allowing the other 3 or 4 mids to press forward. In fact Davids is a perfect replacement in his ability to disrupt the opponent and his mental/physical toughness. But I do agree that you can't replace a 34 year old with a 32 year old. Same with Maka. You need something younger. Who that is, I'm not sure, but attitude is as important as ability, which is why I like Gatusso but I agree with the above poster that he doesn't necessarily play the same role.
     
  22. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Maybe not MLS, but what about Yank Spector? :)
     
  23. Vermont Red

    Vermont Red Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about him? Replacement for "Greatest American Hero" maybe.
     
  24. Brunsen

    Brunsen Member

    Feb 16, 2004
    In a far off land
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    forget davids, go for the player keeping him out of the squad, cambiasso. Box-to-box hardnosed midfielder... would bring balance to the midfield...
     
  25. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    actually thats not a bad idea, i have been impressed by cambiasso in recent years, and he's only 24/25, a perfect age for a keane replacement imo. Although he may not be a 'replacement' of sorts for keane, he would be an excellent midfield pickup who would help solidify the middle.....and i think he ouwld be hard enough to compete and survive the EPL
     

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